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    Re: Millions face shrinking Social Security payments

    Quote Originally Posted by dragondad View Post
    Yes I would! Where would you get the money to pay the present day retirees???????
    They all ready paid, so the money should be there.

    Face it, you know that ending SS would end a political gain for the party you support.

    The old bribe the voters with money game, and that's killing us, regardless which side is doing it.
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    Re: Millions face shrinking Social Security payments

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    They all ready paid, so the money should be there.

    Face it, you know that ending SS would end a political gain for the party you support.

    The old bribe the voters with money game, and that's killing us, regardless which side is doing it.
    Like arguing with a door knob! "they are already paid"......LOL

    Did anybody read where I used the term "know-nothing" earlier?

    It wasnt meant as a slur...It's an actual description of someone who doesnt know that current SS beneficaries are being paid by present day workers and not from some big bank account where the Fed depostited their money all those years!.................LOL

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    Re: Millions face shrinking Social Security payments

    Quote Originally Posted by dragondad View Post
    Oh sure! You know so much about the privatization plan don't you!

    Tell us? Where do you think the money is going to come from to pay current retirees if your money is being diverted into a private account????


    I know the answer to this???? I know what Bush was planning???

    Why don't you tell us?
    I don't know what Bush was planning and don't really care.
    I know what I would do but I have no idea what others true intentions are.

    Social Security must be gradually phased out.

    I'd start with telling everyone not already significantly invested in the program, that it will no longer be an option for them in the future and that they are going to have to forfeit what they have already paid in.
    I'd then cut some defense spending and other programs to make up the short fall.

    Means test the program and phase it out with only inflation adjusted increases.
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    Re: Millions face shrinking Social Security payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I don't know what Bush was planning and don't really care.
    I know what I would do but I have no idea what others true intentions are.

    Social Security it must be gradually phased out.

    I'd start with telling everyone not already significantly invested in the program, that it will no longer be an option for them in the future and that they are going to have to forfeit what they have already paid in.
    I'd then cut some defense spending and other programs to make up the short fall.

    Means test the program and phase it out with only inflation adjusted increases.

    Of course you don't know where these Trillions are going to come from??

    Because your a know-nothing..

    Bush was going to borrow the Trillions!

    And that's what the know-nothings are going to face when they divert that money into their private accounts.

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    Re: Millions face shrinking Social Security payments

    Quote Originally Posted by dragondad View Post
    Like arguing with a door knob! "they are already paid"......LOL

    Did anybody read where I used the term "know-nothing" earlier?

    It wasnt meant as a slur...It's an actual description of someone who doesnt know that current SS beneficaries are being paid by present day workers and not from some big bank account where the Fed depostited their money all those years!.................LOL

    I know who is paying them, it wasn't supposed to work that way, I was illustrating one of the great weaknesses of the SS system, the one you claim works soooo well.

    It doesn't. The fact these older workers that ALL READY PAID IN have to rely on todays workers is ample proof SS is broken beyond all repair.. or FUBAR.
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    Re: Millions face shrinking Social Security payments

    Quote Originally Posted by dragondad View Post
    Of course you don't know where these Trillions are going to come from??

    Because your a know-nothing..
    Ouch excuse me while I compose myself.

    Quote Originally Posted by dragondad View Post
    Bush was going to borrow the Trillions!

    And that's what the know-nothings are going to face when they divert that money into their private accounts.
    Let me repeat some thing here with emphasis, I do not care what Bush was going to do because he did not do it.

    Cutting benefits, means testing and cutting spending from other programs can make up the short fall.

    I refuse to face having to pay double the current Social Security taxes in order to get a ****ty pay out when I can do better on my own.

    If such increases are going to happen, I will leave.
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    Re: Millions face shrinking Social Security payments

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I know who is paying them, it wasn't supposed to work that way, I was illustrating one of the great weaknesses of the SS system, the one you claim works soooo well.

    It doesn't. The fact these older workers that ALL READY PAID IN have to rely on todays workers is ample proof SS is broken beyond all repair.. or FUBAR.
    Yes it was supposed to work like that! Are you able to compose yourself and stop the lying?

    SS was concieved, inititiated as a program where current workers SS taxes would be paying present day retirees. Only a small amount is diverted into the Trust fund to account for long term ebb and flow on the ratio of retirees to workers.

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    Re: Millions face shrinking Social Security payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Ouch excuse me while I compose myself.



    Let me repeat some thing here with emphasis, I do not care what Bush was going to do because he did not do it.

    Cutting benefits, means testing and cutting spending from other programs can make up the short fall.

    I refuse to face having to pay double the current Social Security taxes in order to get a ****ty pay out when I can do better on my own.

    If such increases are going to happen, I will leave.
    Cutting benefits!

    By all means encourge your supporters to shout that from the Mountain top!......You will go the way of the Dodo bird in two years....LOL
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    Re: Millions face shrinking Social Security payments

    Quote Originally Posted by dragondad View Post
    Cutting benefits! By all means encourge your supporters to shout that from the Mountain top!......You will go the way of the Dodo bird in two years....LOL
    The difference between you and I, is that I don't lie to people about the real deal with programs and services the government offers.

    What are you going to say when we either have to face benefit cuts or doubling SS taxes?

    Who's side will you take then?
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    Re: Millions face shrinking Social Security payments

    Quote Originally Posted by dragondad View Post
    Yes it was supposed to work like that! Are you able to compose yourself and stop the lying?

    SS was concieved, inititiated as a program where current workers SS taxes would be paying present day retirees. Only a small amount is diverted into the Trust fund to account for long term ebb and flow on the ratio of retirees to workers.
    SS Was a short term program, but you ignore that little fact too.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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