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    Mexico decriminalizes small-scale drug possession

    Mexico has emphasized the need to differentiate drug addicts and casual users from the violent traffickers whose turf battles have contributed to the deaths of more than 11,000 people during Calderon's term. In the face of growing domestic drug use, Mexico has increased its focus on prevention and drug treatment.
    Even Mexico is starting to get it.

    The Associated Press: Mexico decriminalizes small-scale drug possession
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    Re: Mexico decriminalizes small-scale drug possession

    Excellent news. Mexico actually tried this a few years ago, but the Bush Administration applied intense pressure to get them to reverse course...and eventually they did. Perhaps Mexico has finally found an American government that, while not exactly being enlightened on the war on drugs, at least isn't willing to actively oppose this.
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    Somehow I do not think Mexico legalizing small scale drug possession is going to put a dent on the cartels seeing how the cartels are in the business of dealing in large amounts of drugs,therefore it is not going to do anything regarding the war on drugs. It might free up some jail space but thats about it. But seeing how they offer tax payer funded drug treatment it is still going to cost the tax payers money.
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    Re: Mexico decriminalizes small-scale drug possession

    Things won't get any better because of this and that's the best case scenario. Might as well decriminalize murder, while their at it. Tax it, too. Say, a $500 surcharge on each murder, with a discounted rate for kids. I'm sure all those murderers would be busting their asses to get to the tax office and pay the surcharge on their future murders. Maybe their can be some kind of credit if the victim had it coming.
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    Re: Mexico decriminalizes small-scale drug possession

    I can already see MSNBC and NY Times' article on this.

    "Mexico Legalizes Drug Possession: Women and Minorities Worst Hit"

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    Re: Mexico decriminalizes small-scale drug possession

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Somehow I do not think Mexico legalizing small scale drug possession is going to put a dent on the cartels seeing how the cartels are in the business of dealing in large amounts of drugs,therefore it is not going to do anything regarding the war on drugs. It might free up some jail space but thats about it.
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    Things won't get any better because of this and that's the best case scenario.
    You're both exactly right. Decriminalization does not change that the cartels are still the sole suppliers of drugs, and does not change how they do business. The only thing it does is reduce the pressure on their customers, which allows them to do more business and funnel more money into their coffers.

    The only way to drive the cartels out of the drug business-- and thus into businesses that are easier to track and prosecute, such as extortion and human trafficking-- is to force them into competition with legitimate businesses who will inevitably be able to provide better product at lower prices with safer business models. What our governments are powerless to control, Wal-Mart could demolish overnight.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Might as well decriminalize murder, while their at it. Tax it, too. Say, a $500 surcharge on each murder, with a discounted rate for kids.
    Actually, it would be stupid to start applying the sin taxes to drugs while we're still fighting the cartels. The higher the taxes, the less legitimate businesses can undercut their profit margins-- since, as you note, criminals won't be paying the taxes. License existing firms to produce the drugs according to regulatory standards and don't apply more than the regular sales tax to them. Then, once you've broken the cartels' backs, you can start applying higher taxes to the legitimate products.

    The tax rates would have to be absolutely outrageous before the cartels-- or new organized crime-- would be able to use drugs to regain their former power.
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    Re: Mexico decriminalizes small-scale drug possession

    The reason I think this will do nothing is that the cartels are more intereste in the US market where we have more cash more demand and more profit.

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    Re: Mexico decriminalizes small-scale drug possession

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    ...is to force them into competition with legitimate businesses who will inevitably be able to provide better product at lower prices with safer business models. What our governments are powerless to control, Wal-Mart could demolish overnight.



    ...Actually, it would be stupid to start applying the sin taxes to drugs while we're still fighting the cartels. The higher the taxes, the less legitimate businesses can undercut their profit margins-- since, as you note, criminals won't be paying the taxes. License existing firms to produce the drugs according to regulatory standards and don't apply more than the regular sales tax to them. Then, once you've broken the cartels' backs, you can start applying higher taxes to the legitimate products.

    The tax rates would have to be absolutely outrageous before the cartels-- or new organized crime-- would be able to use drugs to regain their former power.

    I'm having a hard time believing that the cartels are going to just sit back while Jose Q. Public opens a drug shop and under cuts their multi-billion dollar business. They're not going to wake up Monday morning and say, "well, drugs have been decriminalized, we're not going to kill our competitors anymore, because that would be illegal". That's just me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm having a hard time believing that the cartels are going to just sit back while Jose Q. Public opens a drug shop and under cuts their multi-billion dollar business. They're not going to wake up Monday morning and say, "well, drugs have been decriminalized, we're not going to kill our competitors anymore, because that would be illegal". That's just me.
    We were well my girlfriends family is seriously thinking about opening a pot shop in CA. And I had the exact same issue to raise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    We were well my girlfriends family is seriously thinking about opening a pot shop in CA. And I had the exact same issue to raise.
    I would certainly think twice about it, unless I was strapped and ready to rumble. I've been a part of business ventures that were remotely related to that in the past and at the end of the day, the profit margin sucks ass.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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