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    Re: Mexico decriminalizes small-scale drug possession

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I don't think the cartels care, either way. They're going to control the market the way they always have, legal drugs, or no legal drugs. As I pointed out in an earlier thread, what are you going to do? Legalize murder and attach a surcharge to it?
    How much is organized crime (cartels) involved in the alcohol market? It certainly was involved in it when it was illegal.

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    Re: Mexico decriminalizes small-scale drug possession

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    What makes you think so? When has any major crime organization ever sold a legal product as their main line of business?
    There's a fairly good market, in the Southwest of US, that deals largely with various semi-automatic, pistol, full automatic, assault weapons that are technically 'legal' except for the fact the proper registration is not done on them. So there's one example, and while the various sellers don't seem to widely peddle their logo I am presuming it is quite well endowed in a organizational sense, while also illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metternich View Post
    There's a fairly good market, in the Southwest of US, that deals largely with various semi-automatic, pistol, full automatic, assault weapons that are technically 'legal' except for the fact the proper registration is not done on them. So there's one example, and while the various sellers don't seem to widely peddle their logo I am presuming it is quite well endowed in a organizational sense, while also illegal.
    What is a fairly good market? Are a lot of violent crimes committed trying to gain control of this market? Do you have a source for this?


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    Re: Mexico decriminalizes small-scale drug possession

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    What is a fairly good market? Are a lot of violent crimes committed trying to gain control of this market? Do you have a source for this?


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    I'll just say that source I trust impeccably because, frankly, it's me. It's how I purchased my two weapons at any rate.

    Are there violent crimes? Certainly, I haven't actually seen a gun duel break out but to believe that illegal activity doesn't beget more illegal activity would be one leap of faith I'm just not willing to put in a Earthly principle.

    Do they fund criminal activities? I would give my cautious nodding of the head, but consider it just base speculation. All I can say is just ask anyone if they've been to the Glamis sand dunes and they'll know what I am getting at.

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    Re: Mexico decriminalizes small-scale drug possession

    Mexico seems to be going down the tubes. Unfortunately Americans seem to be labeled racists if they dont agree with just letting millions in.
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    Re: Mexico decriminalizes small-scale drug possession

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    How much is organized crime (cartels) involved in the alcohol market? It certainly was involved in it when it was illegal.

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    The Dixie Mafia made millions from illegal alcohol in the 70's.


    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    What is a fairly good market? Are a lot of violent crimes committed trying to gain control of this market? Do you have a source for this?


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    Guns are legal in the US. How much money is made and how many people get killed dealing with illegal firearms trafficing in the US?
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    Re: Mexico decriminalizes small-scale drug possession

    Don't think that just because whiskey is legal that the moonshine industry just up and died.

    Bill Helms, a respected merchant here in a town known as the moonshine capital of the world, insists he doesn't know what his customers do with all the sugar and plastic jugs he sells at his farm supply store.

    But a federal and state investigation, dubbed Operation Lightning Strike, found that Helms Farmers Exchange sells an average of $1 million a year in supplies to moonshiners as part of a sophisticated criminal enterprise similar in makeup and scope to those employed by major drug dealers.

    Raids Attack Mystique Of Moonshine Industry - The Washington Post | Encyclopedia.com

    Making and selling alcohol without a license is illegal. But even under centuries of federal surveillance, the moonshine industry has evolved from an illegal folk art to a big business involving dozens of suppliers, distillers, and distributors from Roanoke, Va., to Johnston County, N.C. Instead of small nailed-together tubs, today's mega-moonshiners use huge stainless stills that take up entire barns and produce hundreds of gallons of whiskey a day.

    "I've maintained there's 50,000 gallons of untaxed liquor leaving southwest Virginia every year, and nobody's ever disputed that," says Jack Allen Powell, a retired revenuer who wrote a book about the business called "A Dying Art."

    Moonshine flows - and feds crack down | csmonitor.com
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    Re: Mexico decriminalizes small-scale drug possession

    Where do you think more money is made, cocaine, or tobacco? Moonshine, or legal whiskey?

    Of course the cartels want their product legalized.
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    Re: Mexico decriminalizes small-scale drug possession

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    What makes you think so? When has any major crime organization ever sold a legal product as their main line of business?



    The difference is that a good many of the problems associated with drugs (e.g. overdosing, violence, drug-related theft) are CAUSED by their illegality and many others (e.g. addiction, sales to children) aren't exactly caused by illegality but are definitely made worse. On the other hand, murder is illegal because it IS the problem itself.
    Actually, if you've ever been a hospital worker, you'll know that you tend to get many times more patients in the typical American hospital being treated for the results of abuse of legal drugs than for abuse of illegal ones.
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    Re: Mexico decriminalizes small-scale drug possession

    Quote Originally Posted by Metternich View Post
    There's a fairly good market, in the Southwest of US, that deals largely with various semi-automatic, pistol, full automatic, assault weapons that are technically 'legal' except for the fact the proper registration is not done on them. So there's one example, and while the various sellers don't seem to widely peddle their logo I am presuming it is quite well endowed in a organizational sense, while also illegal.
    Well, let's think about why a criminal enterprise would choose to engage in that particular business. Obviously they're doing something shady, or there would be no reason for the existence of a criminal infrastructure. In this case, they're doing it specifically to circumvent registration and they sell weapons to people who are also interested in circumventing registration for whatever reason. Since unregistered weapons ARE illegal, their product is illegal.

    You never see criminal enterprises whose main business is, say, growing tomatoes. And for good reason: Why would a tomato grower have any need to be involved in a criminal enterprise?

    Similarly, if drugs are legalized, there would no longer be a need for any criminal enterprise.
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