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    Re: Mexico decriminalizes small-scale drug possession

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm having a hard time believing that the cartels are going to just sit back while Jose Q. Public opens a drug shop and under cuts their multi-billion dollar business.
    Of course not. José Q. Publica is going to end up dead of lead poisoning. That's why decriminalization is useless, and that's why I'm not talking about decriminalization and José Q. Publica's corner bodega. I am talking about multi-billion dollar multi-national corporations that can afford armed security and who can guarantee that if they're attacked, there will be enough physical evidence and surveillance footage to guarantee convictions in even the most corrupt courts.

    You're talking about local businessmen. I'm talking about organizations that can, and have, bought whole governments in the past.

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    Re: Mexico decriminalizes small-scale drug possession

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Of course not. José Q. Publica is going to end up dead of lead poisoning. That's why decriminalization is useless, and that's why I'm not talking about decriminalization and José Q. Publica's corner bodega. I am talking about multi-billion dollar multi-national corporations that can afford armed security and who can guarantee that if they're attacked, there will be enough physical evidence and surveillance footage to guarantee convictions in even the most corrupt courts.

    You're talking about local businessmen. I'm talking about organizations that can, and have, bought whole governments in the past.
    Sounds to me like you're re-inventing the wheel. The only difference being that instead of the government going to war against the cartels, it'll be private industry who are in competition with the cartels for the drug business. Do we really want to enable multi-billion dollar coporations to have that much power?
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    Re: Mexico decriminalizes small-scale drug possession

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Sounds to me like you're re-inventing the wheel. The only difference being that instead of the government going to war against the cartels, it'll be private industry who are in competition with the cartels for the drug business. Do we really want to enable multi-billion dollar coporations to have that much power?
    They already do have that kind of power.
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    Re: Mexico decriminalizes small-scale drug possession

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm having a hard time believing that the cartels are going to just sit back while Jose Q. Public opens a drug shop and under cuts their multi-billion dollar business. They're not going to wake up Monday morning and say, "well, drugs have been decriminalized, we're not going to kill our competitors anymore, because that would be illegal". That's just me.
    I think you are right with that assumption. Legalization will not ease their problem with the cartels for this reason alone.It would be different if the government there was adequate enough to stop the cartels. But if that was the case then no would be using the argument that legalizing will take it out of the hands of the cartels.
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    Re: Mexico decriminalizes small-scale drug possession

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    We were well my girlfriends family is seriously thinking about opening a pot shop in CA. And I had the exact same issue to raise.
    I do not think cartels run amok in California.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Mexico decriminalizes small-scale drug possession

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    They already do have that kind of power.
    You're a little insane, aren't you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    I am talking about multi-billion dollar multi-national corporations that can afford armed security and who can guarantee that if they're attacked, there will be enough physical evidence and surveillance footage to guarantee convictions in even the most corrupt courts.

    You're talking about local businessmen. I'm talking about organizations that can, and have, bought whole governments in the past.
    What? Who the hell do you think is going to invest in a business that expects its employees to die, and whose name does not start with 'B' and ends with 'Lackwater?'

    Just thinking of the lawsuits is enough to turn me green.

    Then to think of the PR? God knows the big cigarette companies (I'm use them as a example, because of the ample amount of trademarks they hold for these sort of potential products) just got over their title of "Merchants of Death" and now in your universe they're going to have shock troops, while they battle in the streets for the control of a operation whose legality is - at best - of middling certainty?

    I think I speak for the world when I say "no thanks."
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    Re: Mexico decriminalizes small-scale drug possession

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    They already do have that kind of power.
    So, you wanna make it worse?
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    Re: Mexico decriminalizes small-scale drug possession

    Quote Originally Posted by Metternich View Post
    You're a little insane, aren't you?
    The cake is a lie.

    In all seriousness, virtually no major legislation is passed without some sort of corporate support and when you look at campaign donations, you will see who has the power behind our government.

    After that it's mostly a PR battle between opposing corporate interests and whoever has the most appealing message wins the support of the people whether or not it is actually good government policy.

    Does anyone here have the kind of access to the President and Congress that they do?
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    Re: Mexico decriminalizes small-scale drug possession

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, you wanna make it worse?
    The only way it could be worse in my eyes would be that you actually see the power struggle between opposing corporate factions and do nothing about it.

    You and I are second fiddle to politician's corporate interests.
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    Re: Mexico decriminalizes small-scale drug possession

    Do the people who support a complete drug legalization know anything about crime other then jaywalking and buying dimes every few days? Drug cartels making 20 billion dollars a year on cocaine deals don't disappear because we make drug consumption legal. This silliness that most libertarians and a lot of liberals seem to believe regarding drug crime is that it's the sort of criminal offense which if legalized would result in the disappearance of drug houses, human slavery etc. and then they bring up alcohol & Prohibition.

    The worst example to back a case for legalizing drugs would be Prohibition at the start of the century. Why? Because the competitions bootleggers faced and that which drug dealers face were not the same and the products were not the same. Alcohol, unless you're ridiculously allergic to it or decide to drink an insane amount would almost never, or under most normal circumstances simply can't kill a person. You can't say the same for cocaine, heroin, meth & dozens of other drugs. How much do you want to bet that Pfizer, Johnson & Johnson and Bayer would NEVER take a gamble on drugs harder then marijuana for that very reason?

    So then what would we have? Criminal drug cartels who are now allowed to conduct business legally. They'll still force hundreds if not thousands of people around the world to produce drugs in the jungles of Bolivia or the valleys of Afghanistan. They'd still destroy entire families with their drugs and the only difference would be that it would all be perfectly legal. Thanks but I'd rather pay taxes and have the DEA make their lives a little harder.
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