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Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

SgtRock said:
The Islamic text are translated by muslim scholars at USC.

Who is your source, Ayman al Zawahiri, give him a message for me, tell him I have pork sandwich with his name on it.
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Thats the first joke ive seen you crack and it has to be the worst joke ive seen on here so far.
 
EgoffTib said:
I'm trying to find a nicer way of saying that you're ignorant, but nothing comes to mind. :shrug:
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How ironic it would be for you to get thread banned while insulting another poster who, apparently unbeknownst to you, is already thread banned for insulting a poster.
 
Just my thoughts, but I think that any muslim girl who is allowed to be a cheerleader needn't fear an honour killing. Just a grounding.

(and for what it's worth, I would have strongly discouraged my own dear daughter from cheerleading had she shown the inclination)
 
Turbeaux said:
Link???
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Link to show you that on one thread you pretend to be an expert of Islam and on another you pretend not to be.


Quote:Mira
So stop pretending to be a specialist of Islam, you are nothing but a copy-pasting amateur of hate internet sites.

Quote: Turbeaux
Never claimed to be a specialist on Islam as I also know a hell of a lot about Israel and indeed the entire Middle East and Islamic world. In any event, you’ll never like me because I can back up with documentation everything I say about Islam and Muslims, which pisses the hell out of you. I love it!

http://www.debatepolitics.com/middl...-supporters-clash-gaza-least-8-killed-16.html
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
No one is saying that. I think people pretty much have agree that honor killings are "wrong" and this situation is pretty heinous. Is there something more you are looking for?
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You are making an assumption here, for even as you or I might find them heinous, unless a person actually posts such an opinion, we do not really know for certain. That is the problem with apologia -- in fact, such a tendency pretty much defines the very term -- in that when people dig in their heels and immediately defend at all costs, they are tacitly defending the practice right along with everything else.

When a person resorts to sophistry trying to diminish or deny its prevelence, and then goes about the practice of trying to link it to something either much less prevelent or inherently destructive, and all the time not offering any actual condemnation of he practice itself - -they are indeed supporting it.
 
Gardener said:
You are making an assumption here, for even as you or I might find them heinous, unless a person actually posts such an opinion, we do not really know for certain. That is the problem with apologia -- in fact, such a tendency pretty much defines the very term -- in that when people dig in their heels and immediately defend at all costs, they are tacitly defending the practice right along with everything else.

When a person resorts to sophistry trying to diminish or deny its prevelence, and then goes about the practice of trying to link it to something either much less prevelent or inherently destructive, and all the time not offering any actual condemnation of he practice itself - -they are indeed supporting it.
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Who is denying it?
Who is condoning it on these forums?
 
This situation reminds me of the girls who've fled from abuse by their polygamist families in Utah, Arizona and Colorado.
 
Gardener said:
You are making an assumption here, for even as you or I might find them heinous, unless a person actually posts such an opinion, we do not really know for certain. That is the problem with apologia -- in fact, such a tendency pretty much defines the very term -- in that when people dig in their heels and immediately defend at all costs, they are tacitly defending the practice right along with everything else.

When a person resorts to sophistry trying to diminish or deny its prevelence, and then goes about the practice of trying to link it to something either much less prevelent or inherently destructive, and all the time not offering any actual condemnation of he practice itself - -they are indeed supporting it.
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We are ALL against honour killings no matter where no matter under which circumstances and no matter by whom. Anyone who thinks otherwise should not have the right to breathe.

The problem though, is that the father has not been proven guilty of threatening his daughter with death yet.

So, are you saying that anything which presumes heinous acts by Muslims should be believed without questions asked?

I have reasons to have doubts, when I watch this.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W2SUn1ZNU0"]YouTube - Without My Daughter (Part 1 of 6)[/ame]

Do watch the 6 episodes of the documentary before replying.
 
Mira said:
The problem though, is that the father has not been proven guilty of threatening his daughter with death yet.
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Yep, we are still innocent before guilty.

Was there a history of her being beaten? I seem to have forgotten.
If she wasn't, then what grounds can she be taken away from parents?
In UK there must be some form of history before SS can remove them.
 
Laila said:
Yep, we are still innocent before guilty.

Was there a history of her being beaten? I seem to have forgotten.
If she wasn't, then what grounds can she be taken away from parents?
In UK there must be some form of history before SS can remove them.
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I didn't see any articles talking about her being beaten in the past, she never mentions any beating in the videos that I saw of her speaking either. Again, I could have missed that part.Anyway, if she has no traces of violence on her body, that cannot be proven either.

In any case, no matter what, if the girl says that she will be killed, even if there is the slightest doubt, the girl should NOT be returned to her family, especially that the practice of honour killings is a reality.
 
SgtRock said:
I said "Islamic text" the Qu'ran is only part of the Islamic text. But if you insist.

Quran 4:90 "If they turn back from Islam, becoming renegades, seize them and kill them wherever you find them".

Quran 4:115 If anyone contradicts or opposes the Messenger after guidance has been conveyed to him, and follows a path other than the way, We shall burn him in Hell!

Sahih Bukahari Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57
Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
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I have the Koran right here in English and in Arabic

The Unbelievers

Say: Unbelievers, I do not serve what you worship, nor do you serve what I worship. I shall never serve what you worship, nor will you ever serve what I worship. You have your own religion and I have mine.

In Arabic, Lakom Dinukum wa li Dini.

nuf' said
 
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Mira said:
I have the Koran right here in English and in Arabic

The Unbelievers

Say: Unbelievers, I do not serve what you worship, nor do you serve what I worship. I shall never serve what you worship, nor will you ever serve what I worship. You have your own religion and I have mine.

In Arabic, Lakom Rabbokom wa li Rabbi.

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So im right. SgtRock was just spreading the propaganda.
 
kaya'08 said:
So im right. SgtRock was just spreading the propaganda.
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A whole group of people here are spreading propaganda. They are certainly doing the same on several other forums as well. They are on a mission.
 
For those who use the Internet as the untimate proof, READ !

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I haven't read all of the discussions going on about this, but I wanted to throw in my opinion.

I think that the parents have the right to know what their child is doing and they have a legal authority over their children. For example, I believe that parents should give consent if their daughter wishes to have an abortions.

HOWEVER, in this particular case, I would have to side with the girl. If she honestly fears for her life and worries her parents will kill her because that is what their religion dictates to them, I would not put the girl back in the care of the parents. To me that deems them as unfit to parent.
 
Mira said:
For those who use the Internet as the untimate proof, READ !

papiers007.jpg
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:rofl
Nice

Surah Al-Kaafiroon, one of my favourites
 
Lakryte said:
I haven't read all of the discussions going on about this, but I wanted to throw in my opinion.

I think that the parents have the right to know what their child is doing and they have a legal authority over their children. For example, I believe that parents should give consent if their daughter wishes to have an abortions.

HOWEVER, in this particular case, I would have to side with the girl. If she honestly fears for her life and worries her parents will kill her because that is what their religion dictates to them, I would not put the girl back in the care of the parents. To me that deems them as unfit to parent.
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But no one has proven yet the parents are going to kill her the second they get her back.

I say we wait till we know for sure and if need be, remove the girl otherwise take her back home.
 
Laila said:
:rofl
Nice

Surah Al-Kaafiroon, one of my favourites
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My favourite is Surat El Jinn :)

And I'm an atheist with a strict Christian upbringing :doh
 
Mira said:
My favourite is Surat El Jinn :)

And I'm an atheist with a strict Christian upbringing :doh
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Haha.
INFIDEL! :mrgreen:
 
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