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Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

The plain fact of the matter is, "honor killings" among Islamics, especially of females and also of anyone who converts from Islam, does happen and is not uncommon.

Not all Muslims believe in honor killings, not all Muslims perform them. Nonetheless it is a sufficiently common feature of life amongst Islamic people to be a cause for concern. I've read of several such honor killings in the past few months; imagine how many more didn't make the US news. There was a case not long ago, in an Islamic nation, where a convert was sentenced to death by the government for apostasy. I don't recall where it was offhand, perhaps I'll see if I can dig the story back up.

In this girl's case, there is every possibility that she could be in real danger of her life, and I pray that she will be protected and not forced to return to her family if she does not feel safe in so doing.

The point is that this is a real thing, not a figment of someone's imagination, and it is a concern that needs to be addressed. Look at the picture of that smiling young girl again and ask yourself if we should take the risk that she will be murdered by her own family. She says it will happen, and it is known that this sort of thing is done. Keep her safe, don't send her back.

Now THAT is a post which is closer to reality.
 
Now THAT is a post which is closer to reality.

Indeed.
The girl should not be returned if she is in danger in any way.
She will also be in my prayers along with any other females also in this horrible position.
 
What is that saying, he who is without sin may cast the first stone? Would Stormfront or FreeRepublic be more suitable to you? So if we use this as an example to deny Muslim immigration, can we then take all the wacko Christian cults, like Mormons, and use that to kick them out as well please?

Uhm Stormfront is rabidly anti-Semitic and anti-Jew, while Free Republic, on the other hand, is very pro-Israel and pro-Jew, so right off the bat you are demonstrating that you are more than a few cards short of making up a full deck.

With respect to wacko Christian cults, because they are cults, they are no better than Islam. Thus, your moral equivalence in that regard is accurate. However, comparing Mormons to Muslims that are committing violence throughout the world in the name of Islam and in emulation of their holy Prophet, Muhammad, proves again that you are incredibly ignorant of Islam.

Or maybe you are not aware this has little to do with religion, and more to do with cultural development?

Oh really, then why do Muslims all over the world always go out of their ways to cite the holy text of Islam in order to justify their crimes against humanity? Indeed, I think it is obvious that it is you who is more than a little unaware and ignorant in this case. In any event, cultural development would hardly suffice as a legitimate excuse for their behavior in any event!

As for Jew hating....who the bleep was it again who for hundreds of years had a blood libel against Jews, ran pogroms, that eventually led to a genocide? Sorry, but not a single Christian should EVER cast a stone about that.

Oh can you demonstrate your ignorance anymore? I hate to rain on your ignorant parade again, but Hitler wasn’t a Christian. Not only that, but he held close friendships with genocidal Muslim Jew haters like the infamous Haj Amin Al-Husseini, who recruited the Hanzar divisions of Nazi Muslims who were responsible for numerous atrocities and massacres of Jews!
 
I regret not following this thread close. I saw a news story on this the other day and found out the details.

In any other case, where a child expressed genuine fear of returning to live with his/her parents, there be no question of the kid not returning. I wonder why this case seems to be treated differently. Is there a PC factor invovled because the parents are Muslims?
 
I would name a son i had Jihad tho. It is a beautiful name

I know many Jihads. It is indeed a beautiful name especially if one knows the real meaning of Jihad.

Al Jihad al Akbar (the greater Jihad) the struggle against weaknesses of self. The effort of every Muslim to become a better human being

Al Jihad al Asghar (the lesser Jihad) self preservation and self defense aka JUST war and not HOLY war as some presume
 
I know many Jihads. It is indeed a beautiful name especially if one knows the real meaning of Jihad.

Al Jihad al Akbar (the greater Jihad) the struggle against weaknesses of self. The effort of every Muslim to become a better human being

Al Jihad al Asghar (the lesser Jihad) self preservation and self defense aka JUST war and not HOLY war as some presume

Yup ... and just imagine what a fun time we'll have when we go on holiday and cross airport security :lol:
 
You could also say the same about Fundamentalist Christianity. Should we start deporting all Christians because of some fundies?

Not this idiotic crap again! Tell me you are not ignorantly equating Islam with Christianity again? Please, do you have no shame?

How many Christian terrorist attacks like 9/11, 7/7, and the Madrid bombings have Christians in emulation of Jesus Christ perpetrated, and are those Christians also going out of their way to justify their Christian terrorist attacks by citing specific passages of their holy text like Muslims always carefully do?

Are Christians throughout the world pursuing religious holy war against non-Christians everywhere the Christian world collides with the non-Christian world the same way the Dar al Islam is waging holy jihad against non-Muslims everywhere in the world that the Dar al Islam collides with the non-Islamic world?

Are all non-Christians that live in so-called moderate Christian countries as a rule and without exception always systematically persecuted and oppressed the same way all non-Muslim dhimmis as a rule and without exception are always systematically persecuted and oppressed in every so-called moderate Muslim country in the world without exception.

Do Christians like Muslims also immigrate to non-Christian kafir countries to eventually replace our constitutions with the Bible and to replace our democratic rule of law with fundamentalist Christian law?

There are many moderate Muslims I know that do NOT take the whole of the Koran literally.

Really…how do you know? Can you peer into their hearts and see into their minds?

Do all Christian view the Bible and their religion with the same importance as every other Christian?

Please don’t ignorantly equate Islam to Christianity and Muslims to Christianity, as the two religions are not even remotely similar, and why don’t you study Islam and what it advocates before you ignorantly start attacking other people who have?

I cannot find the link, but a poll was taken a couple years ago in Indonesia asking Muslims there if 9-11 was justified. 95% (if I'm remembering the number right) of them said that the attacks were not justified. Indonesia has the largest Muslim population in the world.

Dude if you can’t provide a link then you are just wasting my time and valuable bandwidth! In any event, it is interesting to note that in all of those so-called moderate Muslim countries, including Indonesia, non-Muslim dhimmis are routinely persecuted and oppressed. Am I supposed to ignore that too? How about the fact that everywhere the Dar al Islam (Domain of belief) collides with the non-Islamic world, there is jihad taking place against non-Muslims? Am I also supposed to also over look that? Or would you prefer I bury my head in the sand like you?

The rest of your post is nothing but bigoted Islamaphobic bull.

If it is bigoted and Islamophobic bull, which also means that I must be a bigot, then why don’t you put your money where your ignorant mouth is and demonstrate and prove a single thing I said about Islam is not true and therefore doesn’t constitute legitimate criticism! Or is it you always resort to personally attacking the messenger anytime you can’t refute the message?
 
:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

Folks, he's talking about personal attacks. Lets see

Can you please explain to me how verbs, adverbs, and adjectives constitutes personal attacks?
 
Not this idiotic crap again! Tell me you are not ignorantly equating Islam with Christianity again? Please, do you have no shame?

How many Christian terrorist attacks like 9/11, 7/7, and the Madrid bombings have Christians in emulation of Jesus Christ perpetrated, and are those Christians also going out of their way to justify their Christian terrorist attacks by citing specific passages of their holy text like Muslims always carefully do?
*Cough*Abortion Clinic Bombings*Cough*
*Cough*Oklahoma City Bombing*Cough*
Northern Ireland also had plenty of bombings done by Christian terrorists.

Are Christians throughout the world pursuing religious holy war against non-Christians everywhere the Christian world collides with the non-Christian world the same way the Dar al Islam is waging holy jihad against non-Muslims everywhere in the world that the Dar al Islam collides with the non-Islamic world?
It sounds like you are trying to get this to happen. Historically, things such as this have happened.

Are all non-Christians that live in so-called moderate Christian countries as a rule and without exception always systematically persecuted and oppressed the same way all non-Muslim dhimmis as a rule and without exception are always systematically persecuted and oppressed in every so-called moderate Muslim country in the world without exception.
1) Drop the "without exception" bull.
2) Try building a Mosque in the US, and see how much support you get compared to opposition.

Do Christians like Muslims also immigrate to non-Christian kafir countries to eventually replace our constitutions with the Bible and to replace our democratic rule of law with fundamentalist Christian law?

*Cough*Spanish Inquisition*Cough*



Really…how do you know? Can you peer into their hearts and see into their minds?
They skip Friday Mass sometimes, they don't pray 5 times a day, etc.



Please don’t ignorantly equate Islam to Christianity and Muslims to Christianity, as the two religions are not even remotely similar, and why don’t you study Islam and what it advocates before you ignorantly start attacking other people who have?

Why don't you read the Koran? The Koran contains the story of Jesus, Moses, and plenty of other Christian stories. The two religions are MUCH more similar than you think.
 
Whether honour killing is a religious aspect or not is not the problem. The lack of use of common sense is the main problem.

Religious text was written at another time and in another context. I wish everyone, fanatic Muslims included, will accept to live here and now, meaning in the 21st century.

Too many women die due to domestic violence all over the world and many crimes against women are not fairly punished by the law because they are considered to be "passional crimes".

It is the violence against women that should be stopped, and there is no excuse for it, be it religious, passional or machismo because the final result is the same no matter what the motive is.

edit to add: our dear friend Turbeaux has decided that each and every Muslim in the world is running around holding a Koran in his hand and applying every single word written in it the same way that people use a recepe book.

No, he doesn't think that at all. He says the excess baggage (like honor killings and other negative attributes) is too much to abide.
 
No, he doesn't think that at all. He says the excess baggage (like honor killings and other negative attributes) is too much to abide.

Perhaps you should read more of Turbeaux' posts ?
 
Yes Mira will always defend Muslims and if she was around in the 1930- she would have been defending the Jews.

You see, the Nazi mentality is not to my liking

You equate Islam with Judaism???? :shock:

You don't see Islam's baggage clearly.

The situation in the world today borders on the fantastic. Never before in history has one civilization allowed large numbers of those who come from an alien, and immutably hostile situation, to settle deep within that first civilization’s borders. Never before have the members of one civilization failed to investigate, and even willfully refused to investigate, or to listen to those who warn about, the consequences for all non-Muslims of the belief-system of Islam. In history, the phenomenon of the Barbarians at the Gates is hardly new. Those barbarians lay siege; if they win, they enter in triumph. Should they lose, the advanced civilization survives. But never before have the gates been opened, to an entering force that has not even been identified or understood. Never before have the inhabitants of the by-now vulnerable city made efforts not to recognize, or realize, what they have done, and what they have undone. That demographic intrusion shows no signs of diminishing. The systematic building of mosques and madrasas, paid for by Saudi Arabia, everywhere in the Western world, helps to make the conduct of Muslim life easier. Western populations have been trained to make much of “celebrating diversity” and “promoting difference” and constructing, on a base of militant but unexamined pluralism, an edifice of legal rights and entitlements. These rights, these entitlements, this militant pluralism are exploited by Muslims who do not believe in pluralism. Nor do they accept the individual rights of conscience and free speech, the legal equality of men and women, and of religious and racial minorities, recognized, for example, in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Their current claim to support pluralism is based on the need to protect, and increase the power of, the Muslim umma, or Community, within the West, until such time as that umma no longer needs to pretend to have any interest in Western pluralism and Western values.

Jihad Watch: Fitzgerald: Islam for Infidels, Part One
 
I know many Jihads. It is indeed a beautiful name especially if one knows the real meaning of Jihad.

Al Jihad al Akbar (the greater Jihad) the struggle against weaknesses of self. The effort of every Muslim to become a better human being

Al Jihad al Asghar (the lesser Jihad) self preservation and self defense aka JUST war and not HOLY war as some presume

Jihad, in both cases, toward what end? To follow the edicts of the Koran literally. World domination.
 
Jihad, in both cases, toward what end? To follow the edicts of the Koran literally. World domination.

It's interesting how you're picking my posts and only mine, hmmmmm

World dominaton ? heard that propaganda before :roll:

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You could also say the same about Fundamentalist Christianity. Should we start deporting all Christians because of some fundies? .


Scott, this is a poor argument to make, because it is comparing firecrackers to atom bombs.

Historically, Christianity was abused to justify wars of conquest and persecutions by various secular leaders and corrupt churchmen, yes...but we're talking about centuries long past.

Contemporarily, there are occasional incidents of violence allegedly in the name of Christianity.... but frankly a bare handful, and most of them questionable as to whether Christianity was the motive. The OKC bombing by Tim McVeigh was in revenge for the destruction of the Branch Davidians, and more political than religious. The terrorism in Ireland is primarily territorial and political, the religious aspect is quite secondary as modern Ireland and England are very secular as a society...agnosticism and atheism are more common there than actual true-believer Christianity.

The much-publicized abortion clinic bombing, and Eric Rudolph...I've studied this man and his motives are somewhat obscure, and by his own published journal he says he "prefers Nietzche to the Bible"...not something an authentic Christian is likely to say.

Excluding the political/territorial conflict in Northern Ireland, there are a mere handful of incidents that might, just might, be attributed to Christian extremists in the past couple of decades.

How many acts of terrorism were committed by Islamic extremists this year alone? 50? 100? 200? I tend to lose count by February.

The fact of the matter is that modern Christianity is overwhelmingly peaceful as a religion, and as individual practicioners of same. A "Fundamentalist Christian" (I am one, btw) may pester you to come to church, try to give you a bible tract, maybe try to persuade you to convert....that's about the worst he's likely to do. Violence is incredibly rare compared to the hundreds of millions of Christians in the world.

Islamic extremists, OTOH, tend to kill people with depressing regularity. How often does a whole week pass without some fatal incident? Not very often, for many years now.

Again, I'm not talking about the average Muslim. I'm not talking about people like Laila. I'm talking about violent extremists...but it appears inarguable that Islamic extremists willing to use violence number in the thousands at least, probably tens of thousands, whereas violent "Christian" extremists are a mere handful per decade.

Whether it is because politics and religion are largely seperated in the West, relatively speaking; or whether it is cultural, or educational, or tribalism or whatever, the contrast is quite dramatic.

It simply isn't an apt comparison to make. You would do better to assert your points with some more accurate argument.
 
Scott, this is a poor argument to make, because it is comparing firecrackers to atom bombs.

Historically, Christianity was abused to justify wars of conquest and persecutions by various secular leaders and corrupt churchmen, yes...but we're talking about centuries long past.

Contemporarily, there are occasional incidents of violence allegedly in the name of Christianity.... but frankly a bare handful, and most of them questionable as to whether Christianity was the motive. The OKC bombing by Tim McVeigh was in revenge for the destruction of the Branch Davidians, and more political than religious. The terrorism in Ireland is primarily territorial and political, the religious aspect is quite secondary as modern Ireland and England are very secular as a society...agnosticism and atheism are more common there than actual true-believer Christianity.

The much-publicized abortion clinic bombing, and Eric Rudolph...I've studied this man and his motives are somewhat obscure, and by his own published journal he says he "prefers Nietzche to the Bible"...not something an authentic Christian is likely to say.

Excluding the political/territorial conflict in Northern Ireland, there are a mere handful of incidents that might, just might, be attributed to Christian extremists in the past couple of decades.

How many acts of terrorism were committed by Islamic extremists this year alone? 50? 100? 200? I tend to lose count by February.

The fact of the matter is that modern Christianity is overwhelmingly peaceful as a religion, and as individual practicioners of same. A "Fundamentalist Christian" (I am one, btw) may pester you to come to church, try to give you a bible tract, maybe try to persuade you to convert....that's about the worst he's likely to do. Violence is incredibly rare compared to the hundreds of millions of Christians in the world.

Islamic extremists, OTOH, tend to kill people with depressing regularity. How often does a whole week pass without some fatal incident? Not very often, for many years now.

Again, I'm not talking about the average Muslim. I'm not talking about people like Laila. I'm talking about violent extremists...but it appears inarguable that Islamic extremists willing to use violence number in the thousands at least, probably tens of thousands, whereas violent "Christian" extremists are a mere handful per decade.

Whether it is because politics and religion are largely seperated in the West, relatively speaking; or whether it is cultural, or educational, or tribalism or whatever, the contrast is quite dramatic.

It simply isn't an apt comparison to make. You would do better to assert your points with some more accurate argument.


THAT's the whole point (in bold and red), but our friend Turbeaux is trying to convince us that every single Muslim is a danger to the world.
 
It's interesting how you're picking my posts and only mine, hmmmmm

World dominaton ? heard that propaganda before :roll:

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You aren't familiar with this are you?

He it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the idolaters may be averse.

at-Taubah 9:33
 
THAT's the whole point (in bold and red), but our friend Turbeaux is trying to convince us that every single Muslim is a danger to the world.

I wish i were as dangerous as Turb tries to make us out to be but sadly i am a pacifist
 
Jihad, in both cases, toward what end? To follow the edicts of the Koran literally. World domination.

Yep ... We plan to rule the erm world ... :doh

Lets all ignore the fact Muslims haven't even sorted out their own countries generally speaking but sure, we wish to rule over Europe like Emperors.

I am ofc in line to be Queen ruling US.
 
Yep ... We plan to rule the erm world ... :doh

Lets all ignore the fact Muslims haven't even sorted out their own countries generally speaking but sure, we wish to rule over Europe like Emperors.

I am ofc in line to be Queen ruling US.

This is like your Space Race.

In the 1960's the US was working towards landing a man on the moon even though when JFK announced the goal the booster rockets were still blowing up on the launch pad.
 
This is like your Space Race.

In the 1960's the US was working towards landing a man on the moon even though when JFK announced the goal the booster rockets were still blowing up on the launch pad.

Right ...
Muslims can barely control themselves and you expect them to be able to control Europe?

Nice to see your views are just the same as ever bhkad.
 
Right ...
Muslims can barely control themselves and you expect them to be able to control Europe?

Nice to see your views are just the same as ever bhkad.

Why are you sad to say you are a pacifist? And what about the non-pacifists? You can't control their literal devotion to Allah and the Koran, can you?

So while you plead innocence for all Muslims the fundies are free to use non-violent Jihad to achieve their goals.
 
I wish i were as dangerous as Turb tries to make us out to be but sadly i am a pacifist

Yeah, right... and I'm a "kafir" Christian who grew up among Muslims and I'm just fine, except for my left eye which is missing, 5 knife wounds on my back and a slow poison which will eventually attain my nervous system :roll::roll::roll:

At least I'm immuned to disease and bad smells :roll::roll:
 
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