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awful !!!! Awful !!!!
I would name a son i had Jihad tho. It is a beautiful name
awful !!!! Awful !!!!
The plain fact of the matter is, "honor killings" among Islamics, especially of females and also of anyone who converts from Islam, does happen and is not uncommon.
Not all Muslims believe in honor killings, not all Muslims perform them. Nonetheless it is a sufficiently common feature of life amongst Islamic people to be a cause for concern. I've read of several such honor killings in the past few months; imagine how many more didn't make the US news. There was a case not long ago, in an Islamic nation, where a convert was sentenced to death by the government for apostasy. I don't recall where it was offhand, perhaps I'll see if I can dig the story back up.
In this girl's case, there is every possibility that she could be in real danger of her life, and I pray that she will be protected and not forced to return to her family if she does not feel safe in so doing.
The point is that this is a real thing, not a figment of someone's imagination, and it is a concern that needs to be addressed. Look at the picture of that smiling young girl again and ask yourself if we should take the risk that she will be murdered by her own family. She says it will happen, and it is known that this sort of thing is done. Keep her safe, don't send her back.
Now THAT is a post which is closer to reality.
What is that saying, he who is without sin may cast the first stone? Would Stormfront or FreeRepublic be more suitable to you? So if we use this as an example to deny Muslim immigration, can we then take all the wacko Christian cults, like Mormons, and use that to kick them out as well please?
Or maybe you are not aware this has little to do with religion, and more to do with cultural development?
As for Jew hating....who the bleep was it again who for hundreds of years had a blood libel against Jews, ran pogroms, that eventually led to a genocide? Sorry, but not a single Christian should EVER cast a stone about that.
I would name a son i had Jihad tho. It is a beautiful name
I know many Jihads. It is indeed a beautiful name especially if one knows the real meaning of Jihad.
Al Jihad al Akbar (the greater Jihad) the struggle against weaknesses of self. The effort of every Muslim to become a better human being
Al Jihad al Asghar (the lesser Jihad) self preservation and self defense aka JUST war and not HOLY war as some presume
You could also say the same about Fundamentalist Christianity. Should we start deporting all Christians because of some fundies?
There are many moderate Muslims I know that do NOT take the whole of the Koran literally.
Do all Christian view the Bible and their religion with the same importance as every other Christian?
I cannot find the link, but a poll was taken a couple years ago in Indonesia asking Muslims there if 9-11 was justified. 95% (if I'm remembering the number right) of them said that the attacks were not justified. Indonesia has the largest Muslim population in the world.
The rest of your post is nothing but bigoted Islamaphobic bull.
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Folks, he's talking about personal attacks. Lets see
*Cough*Abortion Clinic Bombings*Cough*Not this idiotic crap again! Tell me you are not ignorantly equating Islam with Christianity again? Please, do you have no shame?
How many Christian terrorist attacks like 9/11, 7/7, and the Madrid bombings have Christians in emulation of Jesus Christ perpetrated, and are those Christians also going out of their way to justify their Christian terrorist attacks by citing specific passages of their holy text like Muslims always carefully do?
It sounds like you are trying to get this to happen. Historically, things such as this have happened.Are Christians throughout the world pursuing religious holy war against non-Christians everywhere the Christian world collides with the non-Christian world the same way the Dar al Islam is waging holy jihad against non-Muslims everywhere in the world that the Dar al Islam collides with the non-Islamic world?
1) Drop the "without exception" bull.Are all non-Christians that live in so-called moderate Christian countries as a rule and without exception always systematically persecuted and oppressed the same way all non-Muslim dhimmis as a rule and without exception are always systematically persecuted and oppressed in every so-called moderate Muslim country in the world without exception.
Do Christians like Muslims also immigrate to non-Christian kafir countries to eventually replace our constitutions with the Bible and to replace our democratic rule of law with fundamentalist Christian law?
They skip Friday Mass sometimes, they don't pray 5 times a day, etc.Really…how do you know? Can you peer into their hearts and see into their minds?
Please don’t ignorantly equate Islam to Christianity and Muslims to Christianity, as the two religions are not even remotely similar, and why don’t you study Islam and what it advocates before you ignorantly start attacking other people who have?
Whether honour killing is a religious aspect or not is not the problem. The lack of use of common sense is the main problem.
Religious text was written at another time and in another context. I wish everyone, fanatic Muslims included, will accept to live here and now, meaning in the 21st century.
Too many women die due to domestic violence all over the world and many crimes against women are not fairly punished by the law because they are considered to be "passional crimes".
It is the violence against women that should be stopped, and there is no excuse for it, be it religious, passional or machismo because the final result is the same no matter what the motive is.
edit to add: our dear friend Turbeaux has decided that each and every Muslim in the world is running around holding a Koran in his hand and applying every single word written in it the same way that people use a recepe book.
No, he doesn't think that at all. He says the excess baggage (like honor killings and other negative attributes) is too much to abide.
Yes Mira will always defend Muslims and if she was around in the 1930- she would have been defending the Jews.
You see, the Nazi mentality is not to my liking
The situation in the world today borders on the fantastic. Never before in history has one civilization allowed large numbers of those who come from an alien, and immutably hostile situation, to settle deep within that first civilization’s borders. Never before have the members of one civilization failed to investigate, and even willfully refused to investigate, or to listen to those who warn about, the consequences for all non-Muslims of the belief-system of Islam. In history, the phenomenon of the Barbarians at the Gates is hardly new. Those barbarians lay siege; if they win, they enter in triumph. Should they lose, the advanced civilization survives. But never before have the gates been opened, to an entering force that has not even been identified or understood. Never before have the inhabitants of the by-now vulnerable city made efforts not to recognize, or realize, what they have done, and what they have undone. That demographic intrusion shows no signs of diminishing. The systematic building of mosques and madrasas, paid for by Saudi Arabia, everywhere in the Western world, helps to make the conduct of Muslim life easier. Western populations have been trained to make much of “celebrating diversity” and “promoting difference” and constructing, on a base of militant but unexamined pluralism, an edifice of legal rights and entitlements. These rights, these entitlements, this militant pluralism are exploited by Muslims who do not believe in pluralism. Nor do they accept the individual rights of conscience and free speech, the legal equality of men and women, and of religious and racial minorities, recognized, for example, in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Their current claim to support pluralism is based on the need to protect, and increase the power of, the Muslim umma, or Community, within the West, until such time as that umma no longer needs to pretend to have any interest in Western pluralism and Western values.
You equate Islam with Judaism???? :shock:[/url]
You don't see Islam's baggage clearly.Jihad Watch: Fitzgerald: Islam for Infidels, Part One
I know many Jihads. It is indeed a beautiful name especially if one knows the real meaning of Jihad.
Al Jihad al Akbar (the greater Jihad) the struggle against weaknesses of self. The effort of every Muslim to become a better human being
Al Jihad al Asghar (the lesser Jihad) self preservation and self defense aka JUST war and not HOLY war as some presume
Jihad, in both cases, toward what end? To follow the edicts of the Koran literally. World domination.
You could also say the same about Fundamentalist Christianity. Should we start deporting all Christians because of some fundies? .
Scott, this is a poor argument to make, because it is comparing firecrackers to atom bombs.
Historically, Christianity was abused to justify wars of conquest and persecutions by various secular leaders and corrupt churchmen, yes...but we're talking about centuries long past.
Contemporarily, there are occasional incidents of violence allegedly in the name of Christianity.... but frankly a bare handful, and most of them questionable as to whether Christianity was the motive. The OKC bombing by Tim McVeigh was in revenge for the destruction of the Branch Davidians, and more political than religious. The terrorism in Ireland is primarily territorial and political, the religious aspect is quite secondary as modern Ireland and England are very secular as a society...agnosticism and atheism are more common there than actual true-believer Christianity.
The much-publicized abortion clinic bombing, and Eric Rudolph...I've studied this man and his motives are somewhat obscure, and by his own published journal he says he "prefers Nietzche to the Bible"...not something an authentic Christian is likely to say.
Excluding the political/territorial conflict in Northern Ireland, there are a mere handful of incidents that might, just might, be attributed to Christian extremists in the past couple of decades.
How many acts of terrorism were committed by Islamic extremists this year alone? 50? 100? 200? I tend to lose count by February.
The fact of the matter is that modern Christianity is overwhelmingly peaceful as a religion, and as individual practicioners of same. A "Fundamentalist Christian" (I am one, btw) may pester you to come to church, try to give you a bible tract, maybe try to persuade you to convert....that's about the worst he's likely to do. Violence is incredibly rare compared to the hundreds of millions of Christians in the world.
Islamic extremists, OTOH, tend to kill people with depressing regularity. How often does a whole week pass without some fatal incident? Not very often, for many years now.
Again, I'm not talking about the average Muslim. I'm not talking about people like Laila. I'm talking about violent extremists...but it appears inarguable that Islamic extremists willing to use violence number in the thousands at least, probably tens of thousands, whereas violent "Christian" extremists are a mere handful per decade.
Whether it is because politics and religion are largely seperated in the West, relatively speaking; or whether it is cultural, or educational, or tribalism or whatever, the contrast is quite dramatic.
It simply isn't an apt comparison to make. You would do better to assert your points with some more accurate argument.
It's interesting how you're picking my posts and only mine, hmmmmm
World dominaton ? heard that propaganda before :roll:
THAT's the whole point (in bold and red), but our friend Turbeaux is trying to convince us that every single Muslim is a danger to the world.
Jihad, in both cases, toward what end? To follow the edicts of the Koran literally. World domination.
Yep ... We plan to rule the erm world ... :doh
Lets all ignore the fact Muslims haven't even sorted out their own countries generally speaking but sure, we wish to rule over Europe like Emperors.
I am ofc in line to be Queen ruling US.
This is like your Space Race.
In the 1960's the US was working towards landing a man on the moon even though when JFK announced the goal the booster rockets were still blowing up on the launch pad.
Right ...
Muslims can barely control themselves and you expect them to be able to control Europe?
Nice to see your views are just the same as ever bhkad.
I wish i were as dangerous as Turb tries to make us out to be but sadly i am a pacifist