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Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

Like I could care what the hell you think, however, where did you see where I advocated discriminating against Muslims? To the contrary, I am against discrimination, which is why I advocate that Muslim immigration be banned and reversed ASAP altogether.

I mean other than honor killings, genital mutilation, oppression of gays, institutionalized oppression of women, prejudice against all non-Muslims, extreme bigotry against Jews, riots against Israel, riots against Muhammad cartoons, Islamic supremacism, refusal to assimilate and integrate, backwardness, barbarianism, intimidation, constant demands for Islamic Sharia Law, subversion to remove all obstacles to the eventual imposition of Sharia, threats of terrorism, and Islamic terrorist attacks, according to you what do Muslims have to contribute to America that makes all their excess baggage worth it?

Furthermore, if Muslims are so compatible with western pluralism, then can you or anyone else for that matter please point to a single so-called moderate Muslim country anywhere in the Islamic world where the non-Muslims living there are not systematically persecuted and oppressed by so-called moderate Muslims? By the same token, can you point to just one Western country anywhere in the world where the Muslims that immigrated successfully assimilated and integrated into their newly adopted societies? Likewise, can you point to any country where Muslim immigration has occurred that hasn’t inevitably become the victim of terrorist attacks? How about a country that was the victim of Islamic terrorist attacks but has not had Muslim immigration yet?

In addition, what about the cost inherent with Muslim immigration because of all the excess baggage that goes along with Muslim immigration? What other group of immigrants requires nearly the expense to accommodate? What other groups presents nearly so big of a risk to national security? Shouldn’t we tailor our immigration policies to only accept people that we know are going to be an asset to this country and not a detriment? I mean post 9/11 the USA has practically doubled the size of the federal government and federal spending via the creation of the Departments of Homeland Security and the National Intelligence Directorate, we have implemented countless inconvenient security measures, and passed unpopular intrusive legislation like the Patriot Act all to accommodate Muslim immigration and their excess baggage. How much further do you suggest we go?

Morocco.

You asked. :mrgreen:
 
Morocco.

You asked. :mrgreen:

Morocco announces the end of tolerance with regard to homosexuality, is the title of the full page article in today's El Pais, referring to the initiative which the Ministry for the interior in Morocco is using to 'confront all actions which go against religious and moral values, within the framework of the law''.

ANSAmed

Authorities have expelled five Christian missionaries from Morocco on the grounds that they were illegally inciting Muslims to convert, the Interior Ministry said Sunday

Muslim Morocco expels 5 Christian missionaries - USATODAY.com

Nice try...care to try again?:mrgreen:
 
Rifqa's parents are devout followers of Islam and members of the extreme Noor Islamic Cultural Center in Columbus, Ohio. This is where the internationally known Hama cleric, Salah Sultan, was the resident scholar before being banned from the United States. Salah Sultan is known as a global terrorist who publicly advocates the killing of Americans and Jews. The largest cell of Al Qaeda operatives was operating from the largest mosque in the Columbus area. Columbus is one of the cities under current investigation concerning the U.S. operations of Al-Qaeda. Rifqa is a target for the radical Muslim community of Columbus, Ohio.

Rifqa's father found out she was christain because members of his mosque ratted her out. Her friends at school say she has been a christain since she was 13. Her friends had taken her to the school nurse for cuts and bruses inflicted on her from beatings at the hands of her father and brother. School authorities refused to get involved. One of Rifqa's teachers tried to help her and was told not to get involved. On Rifqa's myspace page which she has not visited since 2007 she claims to be a christain.

Today the courts sided with Rifqa and she will not be returned to her family for the time being. She will be back in court on September 3.

How many more have to die before people admit this is a problem in the muslim community?

Here is a link to a thread I started about honor killings. it includes pictures and stories of victims brutalized and murdered by those who should protect them.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/religion-philosophy/43958-muslim-women-face-crisis-over-violence.html

This problem is much more widespread than we know and I am thankfull that the brutal and evil practice of honour killings is comming out into the open. ~ Sgt Rock

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Nice to see you back posting Sgt. Been on a break cause i haven't seen you around for a while :2wave:
 
where did you see where I advocated discriminating against Muslims?


It is clear quite clear that under Islamic Law an apostate must be put to death.

"XVI.106, “Whoso disbelieveth in Allah after his belief –save him who is forced thereto and whose heart is still content with the Faith but whoso findeth ease in disbelief: On them is wrath from Allah. Theirs will be an awful doom.” Similarly in III.90-91, “Lo! those who disbelieve after their (profession of) belief, and afterward grow violent in disbelief, their repentance will not be accepted. And such are those who are astray. Lo! those who disbelieve, and die in disbelief, the (whole) earth full of gold would not be accepted from such an one if it were offered as a ransom (for his soul).Theirs will be a painful doom and they will have no helpers.”

However, Sura II.217 is interpreted by no less an authority than al-Shafi’i(died 820 C.E.), the founder of one of the four orthodox schools of law of Sunni Islam to mean that the death penalty should be prescribed for apostates. Sura II.217 reads: “… But whoever of you recants and dies an unbeliever , his works shall come to nothing in this world and the next, and they are the companions of the fire for ever.” Al-Thalabi and al -Khazan concur. Al-Razi in his commentary on II:217 says the apostate should be killed."


By being against this fathers righteous killing of an obviously defective muslim daughter you are discriminating against this man and his religion.....Duh!

Since she is a daugher of a muslim she doesnt have any rights anyway that matter.:shock:
 
That is scary. I hope she stays safe:(
 
Since she is a daugher of a muslim she doesnt have any rights anyway that matter.

I don't know about all women in Islam
But i have every right as a Muslim women. I have my own voice.

Why didn't the authorities step in sooner to stop her being beaten? Can they not take away children like we can in UK?
 
Nice to see you back posting Sgt. Been on a break cause i haven't seen you around for a while :2wave:

Hello Laila, I have been posting elsewhere. As you know I have been focusing my effort and time on honour killings. People at this forum do not give a damn about this terrible problem. When they do respond they make excuses or deflect. I know you care and there are a few others but I can do more to help by informing people of this problem elsewhere. The mainstream media is not helping at all.

I will still post here from time to time but I feel Im spinning my wheels so to speak.

Goodnight Laila, keep fighting the good fight.
 
Hello Laila, I have been posting elsewhere. As you know I have been focusing my effort and time on honour killings. People at this forum do not give a damn about this terrible problem. When they do respond they make excuses or deflect. I know you care and there are a few others but I can do more to help by informing people of this problem elsewhere. The mainstream media is not helping at all.

I will still post here from time to time but I feel Im spinning my wheels so to speak.

Goodnight Laila, keep fighting the good fight.

Goodnight Sgt :2wave:

I expect no less from you, i'll be wishing you all the success in what you are doing and sending all my good vibes your way.

Just make sure you check in once in a while at least.
 
Other than Jew hating, intimidation, threats of terrorism, and terrorist attacks, here's another example of the excess baggage that goes along with Muslim immigration.

What is that saying, he who is without sin may cast the first stone? Would Stormfront or FreeRepublic be more suitable to you? So if we use this as an example to deny Muslim immigration, can we then take all the wacko Christian cults, like Mormons, and use that to kick them out as well please?

Or maybe you are not aware this has little to do with religion, and more to do with cultural development?

As for Jew hating....who the bleep was it again who for hundreds of years had a blood libel against Jews, ran pogroms, that eventually led to a genocide? Sorry, but not a single Christian should EVER cast a stone about that.
 
What is that saying, he who is without sin may cast the first stone? Would Stormfront or FreeRepublic be more suitable to you? So if we use this as an example to deny Muslim immigration, can we then take all the wacko Christian cults, like Mormons, and use that to kick them out as well please?

Or maybe you are not aware this has little to do with religion, and more to do with cultural development?

As for Jew hating....who the bleep was it again who for hundreds of years had a blood libel against Jews, ran pogroms, that eventually led to a genocide? Sorry, but not a single Christian should EVER cast a stone about that.

Yes, because todays Christians teach their children Israel and all Jews should die...
:roll:
 
Yes, because todays Christians teach their children Israel and all Jews should die...
:roll:

How did i forget?

I got taught that right before there was a demonstration on what the best way to kill a jew is :doh
 
Hello Laila, I have been posting elsewhere. As you know I have been focusing my effort and time on honour killings. People at this forum do not give a damn about this terrible problem. When they do respond they make excuses or deflect. I know you care and there are a few others but I can do more to help by informing people of this problem elsewhere. The mainstream media is not helping at all.

I will still post here from time to time but I feel Im spinning my wheels so to speak.

Goodnight Laila, keep fighting the good fight.

Honor Killings are horrible, period.

Islam has this problem, is it every Muslim, no.

But it's prevalent enough, that it must stop, but no amount of outside force will alter this, it must come from within. Islam needs a Martin Luther.
 
Yes, because todays Christians teach their children Israel and all Jews should die...
:roll:

How to respond to such freaking ignorance?

Do you happen to even know any Muslims? Before you answer, give me a freaking break, we know you probably do not know a single one. And by knowing, I mean visited their homes, had them over for dinner, etc..?

You clearly know absolutely freaking nothing about Jewish/Islamic history, but you do seem to hear only the loudest of the rhetoric that does not represent the majority. You also can not seem to distinguish the difference between opposition to Israel, and antisemitism.

Sorry, but you are clearly 110% in the dark on these issues, might I suggest actually educating yourself?

p.s. In a strange bit of irony, I hope you appreciate that the vast majority of Muslims would probably prefer their son or daughter to marry a Jew before ever marrying a Muslim...did you know that? Do you even know why that would be?
 
Honor Killings are horrible, period.

Has anyone stated anything different to disagree with that statement?

Honor killings are horrific and are prevelant in uneducated countries.
Many countries who do employ this are generally speaking tribal based
 
Honor Killings are horrible, period.

Islam has this problem, is it every Muslim, no.

But it's prevalent enough, that it must stop, but no amount of outside force will alter this, it must come from within. Islam needs a Martin Luther.

Russia, Ukraine, hell most of Eastern Europe, Mediterranean basin of Greece, Cyprus, Italy, Sicily, Latin America....all of these areas have had problems with honor killings. Tell you what, why don't you go read up on history in Brazil and Argentina for starters, do a search for honor killings there. You know, those nice Christian countries.
 
Russia, Ukraine, hell most of Eastern Europe, Mediterranean basin of Greece, Cyprus, Italy, Sicily, Latin America....all of these areas have had problems with honor killings. Tell you what, why don't you go read up on history in Brazil and Argentina for starters, do a search for honor killings there. You know, those nice Christian countries.

How about you provide the links, cause I did a quick google, and there isn't much on Christian "honor Killings" so why don't you ya know... back your rhetoric with some facts..

I for now, will go wiki on you and move from there as need be.

Honor killing is mostly widespread in Islamic countries or countries with predominantly Muslim population.[1]
[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing]Honor killing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
Gendercide Watch: "Honour" Killings and Blood Feuds

So rant on about how ignorant I am if you wish... until you provide more then boisterous claims, you are doing just that.. ranting.
 
How to respond to such freaking ignorance?

Do you happen to even know any Muslims? Before you answer, give me a freaking break, we know you probably do not know a single one. And by knowing, I mean visited their homes, had them over for dinner, etc..?

You clearly know absolutely freaking nothing about Jewish/Islamic history, but you do seem to hear only the loudest of the rhetoric that does not represent the majority. You also can not seem to distinguish the difference between opposition to Israel, and antisemitism.

Sorry, but you are clearly 110% in the dark on these issues, might I suggest actually educating yourself?

p.s. In a strange bit of irony, I hope you appreciate that the vast majority of Muslims would probably prefer their son or daughter to marry a Jew before ever marrying a Muslim...did you know that? Do you even know why that would be?


Where do you get this tripe from? Seriously?
 
I tried a Google for "Christian Honor Killings" and came up with one case, in Egypt, of a Christian killing his sister for marrying a Muslim.

That was it.

Perhaps you are privvy to information I am not aware of and could enlighten us all of this dangerous threat.
 
I tried a Google for "Christian Honor Killings" and came up with one case, in Egypt, of a Christian killing his sister for marrying a Muslim.

That was it.

Perhaps you are privvy to information I am not aware of and could enlighten us all of this dangerous threat.

I also tried to google just out of pure curiosity, first try, firts article

'Honor' Killing of Wives Is Outlawed in Brazil - The New York Times

Brazil's Supreme Court has ruled that a man can no longer kill his wife and win acquittal on the ground of "legitimate defense of honor."

The ruling ends a 10-year legal battle. "It's a historic decision," said Jacqueline Pitanguy, a Brazilian women's rights leader.

Although never part of the legal code of Brazil, the "defense of honor" strategy has been used by lawyers to win acquittals in thousands of cases of men on trial for murdering their wives. According to a study in Sao Paulo State for the period 1980-81, 722 men claimed defense of their honor as justification for killing women accused of adultery......
 
I also tried to google just out of pure curiosity, first try, firts article

'Honor' Killing of Wives Is Outlawed in Brazil - The New York Times

Brazil's Supreme Court has ruled that a man can no longer kill his wife and win acquittal on the ground of "legitimate defense of honor."

The ruling ends a 10-year legal battle. "It's a historic decision," said Jacqueline Pitanguy, a Brazilian women's rights leader.

Although never part of the legal code of Brazil, the "defense of honor" strategy has been used by lawyers to win acquittals in thousands of cases of men on trial for murdering their wives. According to a study in Sao Paulo State for the period 1980-81, 722 men claimed defense of their honor as justification for killing women accused of adultery......

Ummm....MrVicchio....you just got your you know what handed to you. For you, enjoy your EPIC FAILURE. :2wave:
 
Did he? I don't think so. The killings in Brazil seemed to stem from what we'd call "machismo," not any religious aspect.

By the way, "alienation of affections," was used as used as a successful defense for domestic homicide for generations in this country as I understand it.

Now don't you feel bad for being disrespectful to MrVicchio?
 
p.s. In a strange bit of irony, I hope you appreciate that the vast majority of Muslims would probably prefer their son or daughter to marry a Jew before ever marrying a Muslim...did you know that? Do you even know why that would be?
Would you care to elaborate? This ought to be interesting.
 
Did he? I don't think so. The killings in Brazil seemed to stem from what we'd call "machismo," not any religious aspect.

By the way, "alienation of affections," was used as used as a successful defense for domestic homicide for generations in this country as I understand it.

Now don't you feel bad for being disrespectful to MrVicchio?

Whether honour killing is a religious aspect or not is not the problem. The lack of use of common sense is the main problem.

Religious text was written at another time and in another context. I wish everyone, fanatic Muslims included, will accept to live here and now, meaning in the 21st century.

Too many women die due to domestic violence all over the world and many crimes against women are not fairly punished by the law because they are considered to be "passional crimes".

It is the violence against women that should be stopped, and there is no excuse for it, be it religious, passional or machismo because the final result is the same no matter what the motive is.

edit to add: our dear friend Turbeaux has decided that each and every Muslim in the world is running around holding a Koran in his hand and applying every single word written in it the same way that people use a recepe book.
 
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I also tried to google just out of pure curiosity, first try, firts article

'Honor' Killing of Wives Is Outlawed in Brazil - The New York Times

Brazil's Supreme Court has ruled that a man can no longer kill his wife and win acquittal on the ground of "legitimate defense of honor."

The ruling ends a 10-year legal battle. "It's a historic decision," said Jacqueline Pitanguy, a Brazilian women's rights leader.

Although never part of the legal code of Brazil, the "defense of honor" strategy has been used by lawyers to win acquittals in thousands of cases of men on trial for murdering their wives. According to a study in Sao Paulo State for the period 1980-81, 722 men claimed defense of their honor as justification for killing women accused of adultery......

Thank you, good article.
 
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