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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I would name a son i had Jihad tho. It is a beautiful name
    I know many Jihads. It is indeed a beautiful name especially if one knows the real meaning of Jihad.

    Al Jihad al Akbar (the greater Jihad) the struggle against weaknesses of self. The effort of every Muslim to become a better human being

    Al Jihad al Asghar (the lesser Jihad) self preservation and self defense aka JUST war and not HOLY war as some presume
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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

    Quote Originally Posted by Mira View Post
    I know many Jihads. It is indeed a beautiful name especially if one knows the real meaning of Jihad.

    Al Jihad al Akbar (the greater Jihad) the struggle against weaknesses of self. The effort of every Muslim to become a better human being

    Al Jihad al Asghar (the lesser Jihad) self preservation and self defense aka JUST war and not HOLY war as some presume
    Yup ... and just imagine what a fun time we'll have when we go on holiday and cross airport security


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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottD View Post
    You could also say the same about Fundamentalist Christianity. Should we start deporting all Christians because of some fundies?
    Not this idiotic crap again! Tell me you are not ignorantly equating Islam with Christianity again? Please, do you have no shame?

    How many Christian terrorist attacks like 9/11, 7/7, and the Madrid bombings have Christians in emulation of Jesus Christ perpetrated, and are those Christians also going out of their way to justify their Christian terrorist attacks by citing specific passages of their holy text like Muslims always carefully do?

    Are Christians throughout the world pursuing religious holy war against non-Christians everywhere the Christian world collides with the non-Christian world the same way the Dar al Islam is waging holy jihad against non-Muslims everywhere in the world that the Dar al Islam collides with the non-Islamic world?

    Are all non-Christians that live in so-called moderate Christian countries as a rule and without exception always systematically persecuted and oppressed the same way all non-Muslim dhimmis as a rule and without exception are always systematically persecuted and oppressed in every so-called moderate Muslim country in the world without exception.

    Do Christians like Muslims also immigrate to non-Christian kafir countries to eventually replace our constitutions with the Bible and to replace our democratic rule of law with fundamentalist Christian law?

    There are many moderate Muslims I know that do NOT take the whole of the Koran literally.
    Really…how do you know? Can you peer into their hearts and see into their minds?

    Do all Christian view the Bible and their religion with the same importance as every other Christian?
    Please don’t ignorantly equate Islam to Christianity and Muslims to Christianity, as the two religions are not even remotely similar, and why don’t you study Islam and what it advocates before you ignorantly start attacking other people who have?

    I cannot find the link, but a poll was taken a couple years ago in Indonesia asking Muslims there if 9-11 was justified. 95% (if I'm remembering the number right) of them said that the attacks were not justified. Indonesia has the largest Muslim population in the world.
    Dude if you can’t provide a link then you are just wasting my time and valuable bandwidth! In any event, it is interesting to note that in all of those so-called moderate Muslim countries, including Indonesia, non-Muslim dhimmis are routinely persecuted and oppressed. Am I supposed to ignore that too? How about the fact that everywhere the Dar al Islam (Domain of belief) collides with the non-Islamic world, there is jihad taking place against non-Muslims? Am I also supposed to also over look that? Or would you prefer I bury my head in the sand like you?

    The rest of your post is nothing but bigoted Islamaphobic bull.
    If it is bigoted and Islamophobic bull, which also means that I must be a bigot, then why don’t you put your money where your ignorant mouth is and demonstrate and prove a single thing I said about Islam is not true and therefore doesn’t constitute legitimate criticism! Or is it you always resort to personally attacking the messenger anytime you can’t refute the message?

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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

    Quote Originally Posted by Mira View Post


    Folks, he's talking about personal attacks. Lets see
    Can you please explain to me how verbs, adverbs, and adjectives constitutes personal attacks?

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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

    Quote Originally Posted by Turbeaux View Post
    Not this idiotic crap again! Tell me you are not ignorantly equating Islam with Christianity again? Please, do you have no shame?

    How many Christian terrorist attacks like 9/11, 7/7, and the Madrid bombings have Christians in emulation of Jesus Christ perpetrated, and are those Christians also going out of their way to justify their Christian terrorist attacks by citing specific passages of their holy text like Muslims always carefully do?
    *Cough*Abortion Clinic Bombings*Cough*
    *Cough*Oklahoma City Bombing*Cough*
    Northern Ireland also had plenty of bombings done by Christian terrorists.

    Are Christians throughout the world pursuing religious holy war against non-Christians everywhere the Christian world collides with the non-Christian world the same way the Dar al Islam is waging holy jihad against non-Muslims everywhere in the world that the Dar al Islam collides with the non-Islamic world?
    It sounds like you are trying to get this to happen. Historically, things such as this have happened.

    Are all non-Christians that live in so-called moderate Christian countries as a rule and without exception always systematically persecuted and oppressed the same way all non-Muslim dhimmis as a rule and without exception are always systematically persecuted and oppressed in every so-called moderate Muslim country in the world without exception.
    1) Drop the "without exception" bull.
    2) Try building a Mosque in the US, and see how much support you get compared to opposition.

    Do Christians like Muslims also immigrate to non-Christian kafir countries to eventually replace our constitutions with the Bible and to replace our democratic rule of law with fundamentalist Christian law?
    *Cough*Spanish Inquisition*Cough*



    Really…how do you know? Can you peer into their hearts and see into their minds?
    They skip Friday Mass sometimes, they don't pray 5 times a day, etc.



    Please don’t ignorantly equate Islam to Christianity and Muslims to Christianity, as the two religions are not even remotely similar, and why don’t you study Islam and what it advocates before you ignorantly start attacking other people who have?
    Why don't you read the Koran? The Koran contains the story of Jesus, Moses, and plenty of other Christian stories. The two religions are MUCH more similar than you think.

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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

    Quote Originally Posted by Mira View Post
    Whether honour killing is a religious aspect or not is not the problem. The lack of use of common sense is the main problem.

    Religious text was written at another time and in another context. I wish everyone, fanatic Muslims included, will accept to live here and now, meaning in the 21st century.

    Too many women die due to domestic violence all over the world and many crimes against women are not fairly punished by the law because they are considered to be "passional crimes".

    It is the violence against women that should be stopped, and there is no excuse for it, be it religious, passional or machismo because the final result is the same no matter what the motive is.

    edit to add: our dear friend Turbeaux has decided that each and every Muslim in the world is running around holding a Koran in his hand and applying every single word written in it the same way that people use a recepe book.
    No, he doesn't think that at all. He says the excess baggage (like honor killings and other negative attributes) is too much to abide.

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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    No, he doesn't think that at all. He says the excess baggage (like honor killings and other negative attributes) is too much to abide.
    Perhaps you should read more of Turbeaux' posts ?
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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

    Quote Originally Posted by Mira View Post
    Yes Mira will always defend Muslims and if she was around in the 1930- she would have been defending the Jews.

    You see, the Nazi mentality is not to my liking
    You equate Islam with Judaism????

    You don't see Islam's baggage clearly.

    The situation in the world today borders on the fantastic. Never before in history has one civilization allowed large numbers of those who come from an alien, and immutably hostile situation, to settle deep within that first civilization’s borders. Never before have the members of one civilization failed to investigate, and even willfully refused to investigate, or to listen to those who warn about, the consequences for all non-Muslims of the belief-system of Islam. In history, the phenomenon of the Barbarians at the Gates is hardly new. Those barbarians lay siege; if they win, they enter in triumph. Should they lose, the advanced civilization survives. But never before have the gates been opened, to an entering force that has not even been identified or understood. Never before have the inhabitants of the by-now vulnerable city made efforts not to recognize, or realize, what they have done, and what they have undone. That demographic intrusion shows no signs of diminishing. The systematic building of mosques and madrasas, paid for by Saudi Arabia, everywhere in the Western world, helps to make the conduct of Muslim life easier. Western populations have been trained to make much of “celebrating diversity” and “promoting difference” and constructing, on a base of militant but unexamined pluralism, an edifice of legal rights and entitlements. These rights, these entitlements, this militant pluralism are exploited by Muslims who do not believe in pluralism. Nor do they accept the individual rights of conscience and free speech, the legal equality of men and women, and of religious and racial minorities, recognized, for example, in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Their current claim to support pluralism is based on the need to protect, and increase the power of, the Muslim umma, or Community, within the West, until such time as that umma no longer needs to pretend to have any interest in Western pluralism and Western values.
    Jihad Watch: Fitzgerald: Islam for Infidels, Part One

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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    You equate Islam with Judaism???? [/url]
    No, I will defend any people who are demonised. Turbeaux is demonising Muslims as a WHOLE and not just the fundementalist terrorists.




    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    You don't see Islam's baggage clearly.Jihad Watch: Fitzgerald: Islam for Infidels, Part One
    jihadwatch ???? don't make me laugh
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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

    Quote Originally Posted by Mira View Post
    I know many Jihads. It is indeed a beautiful name especially if one knows the real meaning of Jihad.

    Al Jihad al Akbar (the greater Jihad) the struggle against weaknesses of self. The effort of every Muslim to become a better human being

    Al Jihad al Asghar (the lesser Jihad) self preservation and self defense aka JUST war and not HOLY war as some presume
    Jihad, in both cases, toward what end? To follow the edicts of the Koran literally. World domination.

    OBL 11/24/02

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