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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    I haven't read all of the discussions going on about this, but I wanted to throw in my opinion.

    I think that the parents have the right to know what their child is doing and they have a legal authority over their children. For example, I believe that parents should give consent if their daughter wishes to have an abortions.

    HOWEVER, in this particular case, I would have to side with the girl. If she honestly fears for her life and worries her parents will kill her because that is what their religion dictates to them, I would not put the girl back in the care of the parents. To me that deems them as unfit to parent.

    It is true that Islamic countries need alot of reform but the majority of Muslims do not apply what's in the book word by word.

    In Islam, the only 3 reasons given for killing another Muslim is, adultary, killing another human (eye for an eye...) and abandoning Islam. However, it is also said that a person shall only be killed after being judged. Also, and this is important to know, there is no Islamic law that permits a person to take the authority of a judge in his own hands. A person cannot try another person and condemn him to death, only a court can. Therefore the term "honour killings" in Islam in basically utter tosh.

    Now, I'm not saying that these laws are not shocking, they are and that is why I started this post by saying that Islamic countries need reform and as I've said many times, the Koran was written in another time and another context. What seemed fair at that time, looks shocking in our time.

    That said, there is no proof that the father threatend his daughter, but yes, even if there is a minor chance that she might get killed or hurt, she should not be returned to her family because these crimes, due to IGNORANCE, do exist.
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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

    Quote Originally Posted by Mira View Post
    It is true that Islamic countries need alot of reform but the majority of Muslims do not apply what's in the book word by word.

    In Islam, the only 3 reasons given for killing another Muslim is, adultary, killing another human (eye for an eye...) and abandoning Islam. However, it is also said that a person shall only be killed after being judged. Also, and this is important to know, there is no Islamic law that permits a person to take the authority of a judge in his own hands. A person cannot try another person and condemn him to death, only a court can. Therefore the term "honour killings" in Islam in basically utter tosh.

    Now, I'm not saying that these laws are not shocking, they are and that is why I started this post by saying that Islamic countries need reform and as I've said many times, the Koran was written in another time and another context. What seemed fair at that time, looks shocking in our time.

    That said, there is no proof that the father threatend his daughter, but yes, even if there is a minor chance that she might get killed or hurt, she should not be returned to her family because these crimes, due to IGNORANCE, do exist.
    Until this reform takes place why would we encourage Muslim immigration in America???

    OBL 11/24/02

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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Until this reform takes place why would we encourage Muslim immigration in America???
    So you wish to bar Muslims from moving to America?


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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    So you wish to bar Muslims from moving to America?
    I think that Immigration policy in America should be based upon what is best for the people who are already in America. If some groups are disinclined to assimilate, then yes, I think they should be barred from immigrating.

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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I think that Immigration policy in America should be based upon what is best for the people who are already in America. If some groups are disinclined to assimilate, then yes, I think they should be barred from immigrating.
    Muslims in the United States are assimilated. They are integrated.
    Muslims in US work, pay taxes and are law abiding citizens for the most part.

    So what Bkhad most likely wants is people denied entry just because of their faith or just in particular Muslims.
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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    So you wish to bar Muslims from moving to America?
    Actually, I'd like every American be educated about Islam's goals and methods and then let the chips fall where they may.

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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Actually, I'd like every American be educated about Islam's goals and methods and then let the chips fall where they may.
    So then why ask that question if that was not what you was aiming for?


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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Muslims in the United States are assimilated. They are integrated. Muslims in US work, pay taxes and are law abiding citizens for the most part.

    So what Bkhad most likely wants is people denied entry just because of their faith or just in particular Muslims.
    No, I think he wants them to endorse western values, such as the equality of women and tolerance of other religious beliefs.

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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Muslims in the United States are assimilated. They are integrated.
    Muslims in US work, pay taxes and are law abiding citizens for the most part.

    So what Bkhad most likely wants is people denied entry just because of their faith or just in particular Muslims.
    Nope. I want everyone to understand that the Muslim community in America will grow and eventually try to gain mastery of America.

    OBL 11/24/02

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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    No, I think he wants them to endorse western values, such as the equality of women and tolerance of other religious beliefs.
    You're right. That works for me, too.

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