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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

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    I'm sure that there is something we could morph this thread into. You bring up a good point...secularism vs. religious when we discuss things that are often considered religious, like Judaism. My brother, for example, is an atheist Jew.
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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

    No comment on post #164. Pay no attention to that crusader behind the curtain. He's just another evil ISLAMAPHOBE, oh my.

    BTW, what is the topic of this thread, I can't tell by reading ya'lls post.
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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

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    I'm sure that there is something we could morph this thread into. You bring up a good point...secularism vs. religious when we discuss things that are often considered religious, like Judaism. My brother, for example, is an atheist Jew.
    Okay, how about this.

    Do you believe a religious person, particularly a Muslim, can be secular? That would include basing political opinions and ideologies completely on rational thought dependent upon the circumstances, and deriving those opinions/ideologies on ones own opinions without the religious book of that persons faith having any influence? I believe it can be done with Islam because it has been done in Turkey and now look. They recently finished a joint military excercise with the US and Israeli's. What other nation with a muslim majority would do such a thing? The only thanks they got was from Iran; "its unfortunate some of our neighbours work in the interest of the Zionists"
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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    No comment on post #164. Pay no attention to that crusader behind the curtain. He's just another evil ISLAMAPHOBE, oh my.
    No one is saying that. I think people pretty much have agree that honor killings are "wrong" and this situation is pretty heinous. Is there something more you are looking for?

    BTW, what is the topic of this thread, I can't tell by reading ya'lls post.
    I don't know. I came late to this party.
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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Okay, how about this.

    Do you believe a religious person, particularly a Muslim, can be secular? That would include basing political opinions and ideologies completely on rational thought dependent upon the circumstances, and deriving those opinions/ideologies on ones own opinions without the religious book of that persons faith having any influence? I believe it can be done with Islam because it has been done in Turkey and now look. They recently finished a joint military excercise with the US and Israeli's. What other nation with a muslim majority would do such a thing? The only thanks they got was from Iran; "its unfortunate some of our neighbours work in the interest of the Zionists"
    Yes, I believe that what you say is entirely possible. I know plenty of people who are highly religious who can separate their devoutness from world decisions they make or positions they believe. Much of this comes from biblical (or any holy book) interpretation. Judaism is a great example. There are a number of sects, ranging from the ultra conservative to the ultra reformed. The difference is more about biblical interpretation and the understanding that times change, so must religion. This is one explanation. Another is the fact that many separate their religious lives from their non-religious lives. Often this can be related to ones ability to be open minded, or ones ability to non place ones own values on other people.

    Religion means different things to different people. This is why I completely reject ANYone who claims that a religion is evil. How one uses the tenets of that religion indicates the relative evilness, not of the religion, but of the people practicing. Religion has started no wars in history. People's INTERPRETATION of religion has started many.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

    Its more than honour killings CC, its about a sickness that has been apart of Islamic culture for centurirs. Its straight out of the Islamic text. Justification for killing family members, apostates, homosexuals, unchaste women, etc.

    I am not so sure that everyone thinks that honour killings are wrong. I see a lot of people throughout cyberspace defending it as a way for families to save face. Im not refering to members of DP.

    The plight of Rifqa Bary is a seriuos matter. Over 5000 muslim women are killed by there family members each year. That does not include those who are maimed, beaten, and tortured i.e. acid burnings etc.

    Lets try to stay on topic. (that should kill this thread, most of you don't want to talk about this issue) dig hole in sand, insert head.
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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Its more than honour killings CC, its about a sickness that has been apart of Islamic culture for centurirs. Its straight out of the Islamic text. Justification for killing family members, apostates, homosexuals, unchaste women, etc.
    Can you quote that piece from the Quaran? I dare you.
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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Its more than honour killings CC, its about a sickness that has been apart of Islamic culture for centurirs. Its straight out of the Islamic text. Justification for killing family members, apostates, homosexuals, unchaste women, etc.

    I am not so sure that everyone thinks that honour killings are wrong. I see a lot of people throughout cyberspace defending it as a way for families to save face. Im not refering to members of DP.
    See. this is the point thought. No one at DP is supporting honor killings. I think everyone has a negative opinion of this situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Can you quote that piece from the Quaran? I dare you.
    I said "Islamic text" the Qu'ran is only part of the Islamic text. But if you insist.

    Quran 4:90 "If they turn back from Islam, becoming renegades, seize them and kill them wherever you find them".

    Quran 4:115 If anyone contradicts or opposes the Messenger after guidance has been conveyed to him, and follows a path other than the way, We shall burn him in Hell!

    Sahih Bukahari Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57
    Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Quran 4:90 "If they turn back from Islam, becoming renegades, seize them and kill them wherever you find them".
    Quran 4:90, "...So if they withdraw from you, and fight not against you, and offer you peace, then Allah has opened no way for you against them". The phrase, fight not against you, in Quran 4:90 implies that non-muslims do not fight or refuse to fight with us, muslims. The phrase, Allah has opened no way for you against them, in Quran 4:90 implies that Allah wants us to cease in fighting with them, non-muslims. As the phrase, if they writdraw from you, is mentioned in Quran 4:90 with the phrase, Allah has opened no way for you against them, it implies that Allah commands muslims not to fight against non-muslims if non-muslims do not or refuse to fight with us, muslims. As non-muslims in Singapore refuse to fight with us, why should we, muslims, disobey Quran 4:90 to fight then.

    Propaganda.

    Quran 4:115 If anyone contradicts or opposes the Messenger after guidance has been conveyed to him, and follows a path other than the way, We shall burn him in Hell!
    This verse is saying that person will burn in hell if they do not follow the way of Islam...and? How is this unique for this religion only? Same applies to Christianity and every other religion which thinks its the right one.

    Sahih Bukahari Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
    I couldnt find this verse on the internet to refute your claim so unless proven otherwise, more propaganda from you.
    Last edited by kaya'08; 08-23-09 at 09:23 PM.
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