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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Jihad, in both cases, toward what end? To follow the edicts of the Koran literally. World domination.
    It's interesting how you're picking my posts and only mine, hmmmmm

    World dominaton ? heard that propaganda before

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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottD View Post
    You could also say the same about Fundamentalist Christianity. Should we start deporting all Christians because of some fundies? .

    Scott, this is a poor argument to make, because it is comparing firecrackers to atom bombs.

    Historically, Christianity was abused to justify wars of conquest and persecutions by various secular leaders and corrupt churchmen, yes...but we're talking about centuries long past.

    Contemporarily, there are occasional incidents of violence allegedly in the name of Christianity.... but frankly a bare handful, and most of them questionable as to whether Christianity was the motive. The OKC bombing by Tim McVeigh was in revenge for the destruction of the Branch Davidians, and more political than religious. The terrorism in Ireland is primarily territorial and political, the religious aspect is quite secondary as modern Ireland and England are very secular as a society...agnosticism and atheism are more common there than actual true-believer Christianity.

    The much-publicized abortion clinic bombing, and Eric Rudolph...I've studied this man and his motives are somewhat obscure, and by his own published journal he says he "prefers Nietzche to the Bible"...not something an authentic Christian is likely to say.

    Excluding the political/territorial conflict in Northern Ireland, there are a mere handful of incidents that might, just might, be attributed to Christian extremists in the past couple of decades.

    How many acts of terrorism were committed by Islamic extremists this year alone? 50? 100? 200? I tend to lose count by February.

    The fact of the matter is that modern Christianity is overwhelmingly peaceful as a religion, and as individual practicioners of same. A "Fundamentalist Christian" (I am one, btw) may pester you to come to church, try to give you a bible tract, maybe try to persuade you to convert....that's about the worst he's likely to do. Violence is incredibly rare compared to the hundreds of millions of Christians in the world.

    Islamic extremists, OTOH, tend to kill people with depressing regularity. How often does a whole week pass without some fatal incident? Not very often, for many years now.

    Again, I'm not talking about the average Muslim. I'm not talking about people like Laila. I'm talking about violent extremists...but it appears inarguable that Islamic extremists willing to use violence number in the thousands at least, probably tens of thousands, whereas violent "Christian" extremists are a mere handful per decade.

    Whether it is because politics and religion are largely seperated in the West, relatively speaking; or whether it is cultural, or educational, or tribalism or whatever, the contrast is quite dramatic.

    It simply isn't an apt comparison to make. You would do better to assert your points with some more accurate argument.

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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Scott, this is a poor argument to make, because it is comparing firecrackers to atom bombs.

    Historically, Christianity was abused to justify wars of conquest and persecutions by various secular leaders and corrupt churchmen, yes...but we're talking about centuries long past.

    Contemporarily, there are occasional incidents of violence allegedly in the name of Christianity.... but frankly a bare handful, and most of them questionable as to whether Christianity was the motive. The OKC bombing by Tim McVeigh was in revenge for the destruction of the Branch Davidians, and more political than religious. The terrorism in Ireland is primarily territorial and political, the religious aspect is quite secondary as modern Ireland and England are very secular as a society...agnosticism and atheism are more common there than actual true-believer Christianity.

    The much-publicized abortion clinic bombing, and Eric Rudolph...I've studied this man and his motives are somewhat obscure, and by his own published journal he says he "prefers Nietzche to the Bible"...not something an authentic Christian is likely to say.

    Excluding the political/territorial conflict in Northern Ireland, there are a mere handful of incidents that might, just might, be attributed to Christian extremists in the past couple of decades.

    How many acts of terrorism were committed by Islamic extremists this year alone? 50? 100? 200? I tend to lose count by February.

    The fact of the matter is that modern Christianity is overwhelmingly peaceful as a religion, and as individual practicioners of same. A "Fundamentalist Christian" (I am one, btw) may pester you to come to church, try to give you a bible tract, maybe try to persuade you to convert....that's about the worst he's likely to do. Violence is incredibly rare compared to the hundreds of millions of Christians in the world.

    Islamic extremists, OTOH, tend to kill people with depressing regularity. How often does a whole week pass without some fatal incident? Not very often, for many years now.

    Again, I'm not talking about the average Muslim. I'm not talking about people like Laila. I'm talking about violent extremists...but it appears inarguable that Islamic extremists willing to use violence number in the thousands at least, probably tens of thousands, whereas violent "Christian" extremists are a mere handful per decade.

    Whether it is because politics and religion are largely seperated in the West, relatively speaking; or whether it is cultural, or educational, or tribalism or whatever, the contrast is quite dramatic.

    It simply isn't an apt comparison to make. You would do better to assert your points with some more accurate argument.

    THAT's the whole point (in bold and red), but our friend Turbeaux is trying to convince us that every single Muslim is a danger to the world.
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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

    Quote Originally Posted by Mira View Post
    It's interesting how you're picking my posts and only mine, hmmmmm

    World dominaton ? heard that propaganda before

    You aren't familiar with this are you?

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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

    Quote Originally Posted by Mira View Post
    THAT's the whole point (in bold and red), but our friend Turbeaux is trying to convince us that every single Muslim is a danger to the world.
    I wish i were as dangerous as Turb tries to make us out to be but sadly i am a pacifist


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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Jihad, in both cases, toward what end? To follow the edicts of the Koran literally. World domination.
    Yep ... We plan to rule the erm world ...

    Lets all ignore the fact Muslims haven't even sorted out their own countries generally speaking but sure, we wish to rule over Europe like Emperors.

    I am ofc in line to be Queen ruling US.


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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Yep ... We plan to rule the erm world ...

    Lets all ignore the fact Muslims haven't even sorted out their own countries generally speaking but sure, we wish to rule over Europe like Emperors.

    I am ofc in line to be Queen ruling US.
    This is like your Space Race.

    In the 1960's the US was working towards landing a man on the moon even though when JFK announced the goal the booster rockets were still blowing up on the launch pad.

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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    This is like your Space Race.

    In the 1960's the US was working towards landing a man on the moon even though when JFK announced the goal the booster rockets were still blowing up on the launch pad.
    Right ...
    Muslims can barely control themselves and you expect them to be able to control Europe?

    Nice to see your views are just the same as ever bhkad.


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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Right ...
    Muslims can barely control themselves and you expect them to be able to control Europe?

    Nice to see your views are just the same as ever bhkad.
    Why are you sad to say you are a pacifist? And what about the non-pacifists? You can't control their literal devotion to Allah and the Koran, can you?

    So while you plead innocence for all Muslims the fundies are free to use non-violent Jihad to achieve their goals.

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    Re: Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I wish i were as dangerous as Turb tries to make us out to be but sadly i am a pacifist
    Yeah, right... and I'm a "kafir" Christian who grew up among Muslims and I'm just fine, except for my left eye which is missing, 5 knife wounds on my back and a slow poison which will eventually attain my nervous system

    At least I'm immuned to disease and bad smells
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