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Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

Because he was a poor candidate and made poor decisions. I also suspected him of suffering from PTSD

So the GOP backed a poor candidate for U.S. President, who may have been suffering from PTSD?.....& you don't see that as unpatriotic on the part of the GOP?
 
So the GOP backed a poor candidate for U.S. President, who may have been suffering from PTSD?.....& you don't see that as unpatriotic on the part of the GOP?

The voters choose who the voters choose. I'm not a Republican so I didn't have any say about who they would pick. It hardly has anything to do with this thread though. The fact remains that Ridge was not, by his own words, pressured to do anything.
 
The voters choose who the voters choose. I'm not a Republican so I didn't have any say about who they would pick.

But based on your obvious mistrust/dislike of the GOP, wouldn't you agree that we American voters should discount anything they say about HC reform, economic policies or anything else since they obviously care nothing about our country & are willing to back a bad Presidential candidate who you think may even be mentally ill?
 
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The fact remains that Ridge was not, by his own words, pressured to do anything.



What do you call this then????



Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system - National Politics Blog - Political Intelligence - Boston.com

In his new book, the first Homeland Security chief, Tom Ridge, accuses top aides to President George W. Bush of pressing him to raise the terror alert level to influence the 2004 presidential election.


Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened.
Winston Churchill

The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is.
Winston Church
 
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But based on your obvious mistrust/dislike of the GOP, wouldn't you agree that we American voters should discount anything they say about HC reform, economic policies or anything else since they obviously care nothing about our country & are willing to back a bad Presidential candidate who you think may even be mentally ill?

No. That's an absolutely insane conclusion to jump to. McCain was a well known name and people liked him. I didn't think he was the right person for the job. I don't distrust Republicans anymore than I distrust Democrats. I don't believe either party is good for the country. But once again, that isn't the point of this thread. If you'd like my opinion about that start a thread about it or pm me. This thread is about Ridge.
 
In his new book, the first Homeland Security chief, Tom Ridge, accuses top aides to President George W. Bush of pressing him to raise the terror alert level to influence the 2004 presidential election.

According to his publisher. Not according to Ridge.

Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened.
Winston Churchill

The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is.
Winston Church

Spare me. One of things that pisses me off about political forums is people quoting famous leaders that have nothing to do with the discussion as if it would make their point any more valid.
 
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No. That's an absolutely insane conclusion to jump to. McCain was a well known name and people liked him. I didn't think he was the right person for the job. I don't distrust Republicans anymore than I distrust Democrats. I don't believe either party is good for the country.



Because he was a poor candidate and made poor decisions. I also suspected him of suffering from PTSD


I love to watch a guy debate himself!:lol:
 
What? The fact that I didn't vote for McCain doesn't mean I don't agree with a many general Republican policies.

You just admitted that they (GOP) backed a man who you believe may be mentally ill! (doesn't sound very patriotic/trust inspiring to me on the part of the GOP)
How could you support ANYTHING the GOP says if they are that untrustworthy?

I also suspected him of suffering from PTSD
 
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You just admitted that they (GOP) backed a man who you believe may be mentally ill! (doesn't sound very patriotic/trust inspiring to me on the part of the GOP)

I don't think most people in the GOP share my view of the Senator, so they could have whatever reasons they like for supporting him. Again, this thread is about Ridge. I'd be happy to discuss the possibilities of McCain having PTSD if you feel like starting a thread about it.
 
I don't think most people in the GOP share my view of the Senator, so they could have whatever reasons they like for supporting him. Again, this thread is about Ridge. I'd be happy to discuss the possibilities of McCain having PTSD if you feel like starting a thread about it.

You brought it up in this thread, not me.;)
 
You brought it up in this thread, not me.;)

You asked my opinion, I gave it and then changed attempted to get the thread back on track. Do you have anything else to add about Ridge or do you want to start a different thread about whatever other "theories" you may have?
 
You asked my opinion, I gave it and then changed attempted to get the thread back on track. Do you have anything else to add about Ridge or do you want to start a different thread about whatever other "theories" you may have?

I made all my points.:)
I'll just end with this:
Since Ridge has now joined many other former Bush Admin. personnel in accusing Bush personnel of crimes, & since you now admit that the GOP is an untrustworthy party, willing to do anything to retain power, (including backing a mentally ill man for President)......Don't you now agree that no one should listen to a single word the GOP says about anything?;)
 
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I made all my points.:)

And when refuted by the guy who wrote the book, still would rather believe the publisher because it falls in line with what you believe about Bush. When proven wrong you attempt to throw out slogans after making assumptions about the person you're debating with. Classy.

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I hate it when I respond before the other guy edits his posts. ****.

Since Ridge has now joined many other former Bush Admin. personnel in accusing Bush personnel of crimes,
Except that he didn't.

& since you now admit that the GOP is an untrustworthy party,
What? Since when does not voting for a guy mean that I find his entire political party to be untrustworthy?

willing to do anything to retain power, (including backing a mentally ill man for President)......
I suspect that he is. I'm not sure of that. And it's hardly as though the entire party was behind him anymore than all Democrats were for Obama.

Don't you now agree that no one should listen to a single word the GOP says about anything?
Do you realize how crazy that sounds?
 
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And when refuted by the guy who wrote the book, still would rather believe the publisher because it falls in line with what you believe about Bush. When proven wrong you attempt to throw out slogans after making assumptions about the person you're debating with. Classy.

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The publisher was quoting Ridge (you can deny, hide & try to change the subject, but that is a fact)

Going to the gym now.:2wave:
 
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The publisher was quoting Ridge (you can deny, hide & try to change the subject, but that is a fact)

No. They weren't. They summarized what he said to make it into something the press would want to repeat.
 
No. They weren't. They summarized what he said to make it into something the press would want to repeat.

They (publisher) gave direct quotes from Ridge....not summaries.
Being able to admit when you are wrong takes integrity & maturity which you appear to lack, imo.....At least in this case.
 
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They (publisher) gave direct quotes from Ridge....not summaries.
Being able to admit when you are wrong takes integrity & maturity which you appear to lack, imo.....At least in this case.

Direct quotes like, "I was never directed to do so no matter how many analysts, pundits or critics say so." The only people saying Bush tried to use the alert system politically are his publishers. Perhaps you should take a bit of your own advice. Now go ****ing work out already!:mrgreen:
 
Direct quotes like, "I was never directed to do so no matter how many analysts, pundits or critics say so."

He says he was "Pressed" to do so, which is a crime. He was never "Directed" to meanuing "Ordered" to....but "Pressed" to is still a felony, regardless of the word game you are trying to play. It depends on what your definition of Is ..Is!:lol:

& thanks....I did just come back from the gym.


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* use official authority or influence to interfere with an election

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* on duty
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He says he was "Pressed" to do so, which is a crime. He was never "Directed" to meanuing "Ordered" to....but "Pressed" to is still a felony, regardless of the word game you are trying to play. It depends on what your definition of Is ..Is!:lol:

& thanks....I did just come back from the gym.


Hatch Act Violations:
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These federal and D.C. employees may not-

* use official authority or influence to interfere with an election

engage in political activity while:

* on duty
* in a government office
and you expect an indictment based on the allegations of the publisher?
 
He says he was "Pressed" to do so, which is a crime. He was never "Directed" to meanuing "Ordered" to....but "Pressed" to is still a felony, regardless of the word game you are trying to play.

If anything at all he was given advice in the face of a credible threat. He disagreed with the threat and didn't raise the level. That is not pressure. If his job was threatened at any time you may have a point. He wasn't.

It depends on what your definition of Is ..Is!:lol:

And seriously, quit this. It makes people think you're half retarded.
 
If anything at all he was given advice in the face of a credible threat. He disagreed with the threat and didn't raise the level. That is not pressure.

Ridge disagrees with you. He said he was "Pressed" to do it & that, my friend is a clear violation of the Hatch Act.
If anyone sounds retarded here, it is you trying to torture English & logic.
 
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Ridge disagrees with you. He said he was "Pressed" to do it & that, my friend is a violation of the Hatch Act.

Can you give a full quote? All the quotes the article contains that talk about being pressured come from the publisher's summary rather than from Ridge
 
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