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Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

windovervocalcords said:
The fear works in Congress too. Look at how many dems backed the Iraq War.
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I am a dem, and I don't buy that it scared the dem's. The reason they voted for it was they had no backbone to contest the GOP who were riding a wave of popularity.

We often want to blame the GOP for our involvement in Iraq, but the Dem's allowed it to happen without one gripe. They refused to challenge the intelligence or the prez.

When you go to a store, and you see a child being a brat and the parents refuse to discipline the child, who should be smacked the kid or the parents for letting the child be a brat?

The GOP and GW were given the keys to the kingdom with no opposition from the dems, so they went to Iraq and created a fiasco.

In a nut shell, we went there without the opposing party questioning it, granted we'd probably be in Iraq anyways because the Dems didn'th have the votes, but maybe we'd of slowed down and required more accurate intelligence.
 
PogueMoran said:
They didn't have to, they instead released a months old video of Bin Laden less than a week before the election. That video is probably what killed Kerry's chances.
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Nope, what killed Kerry's chance was that he was an idiot, and the dems were in shambles, and the GOP were riding a tide of popularity. In many persons minds, they were not voting for Kerry, they were voting against Bush. Hence, the Dems didn't have a halfway decent candidate to defeat Bush.
 
Seems that almost every high ranking, former member of the Bush/Cheney regime upholds the truth that that was a criminal regime that abused its power & lied BIG lies (into wars, etc)....not about consensual sex.
If any administration in the history of this nation stained the White House, it was GW Bush. ( & Richard Nixon)
 
Devil505 said:
Seems that almost every high ranking, former member of the Bush/Cheney regime upholds the truth that that was a criminal regime that abused its power & lied BIG lies (into wars, etc)....not about consensual sex.
If any administration in the history of this nation stained the White House, it was GW Bush. ( & Richard Nixon)
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No joke. Both really brought the office of the president into the sludge.
 
danarhea said:
This is good to remind us of the past, and take steps to correct it. However, Bush is no longer president. We have a new executive ass to ride now. Why? Because he damn well needs to be smacked too. So lets not worry about the past too much. The present is pretty damn important.
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I agree the present and the future are pretty damn important..so why is it that the only justification the Right can give for acting like assholes today is to lamely give the excuse that it's ok because some dems have done it in the PAST.
The past is only useful to the people on the right when all realities off Bush and Cheney's lies and deception are withdrawn from the reality of the past and they can only talk about it in terms that suits their needs.

They need to take responsibility for the own actions today and quit trying to justify it by pointing out some on the lefts PAST actions.

Bush is the cause of a major portion of everything that is going on with the war on terror and the ecomony. TODAY...

President Oblamea is just the conservatives fallguy. They have to blame somebody but themselves as they always have for the nations problems that were handed down to the new American President from the last anti-American, self-serving President and VP.

Oblamea will surely earn his critisizms as Bush did i'm sure...but he hasn't earned them yet.

So you guys just keep on blaming on....it only makes the Right look even more foolish.

There first step out of the sewer is being able to take responsibility for their own failures and quit blaming them on everybody else including our new President.
 
Middleground said:
I wasn't trying to specify the terrorist alert level at the time of the election, but more the approach the Bush campaign took to get re-elected. Things like saying that only Bush will keep America safe, and all of the other bull**** that the American people ate up.
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nothing wrong with that
 
TBone said:
I am a dem, and I don't buy that it scared the dem's. The reason they voted for it was they had no backbone to contest the GOP who were riding a wave of popularity.

We often want to blame the GOP for our involvement in Iraq, but the Dem's allowed it to happen without one gripe. They refused to challenge the intelligence or the prez.

When you go to a store, and you see a child being a brat and the parents refuse to discipline the child, who should be smacked the kid or the parents for letting the child be a brat?

The GOP and GW were given the keys to the kingdom with no opposition from the dems, so they went to Iraq and created a fiasco.

In a nut shell, we went there without the opposing party questioning it, granted we'd probably be in Iraq anyways because the Dems didn'th have the votes, but maybe we'd of slowed down and required more accurate intelligence.
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Unfortunately.........Allot of truth in what you say!!
 
Devil505 said:
Unfortunately.........Allot of truth in what you say!!
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We Dems could have also stopped funding the war (after 2006) & impeached Bush & Cheney. I hold Spkr. Pelosi & Harry Reid responsible for not having the guts to do the right thing! (They should both be run out of office)
 
Truth Detector said:
ZERO; there have never been any proven allegations of crookedness or corruption which is why this belongs in the conspiracy theory category.

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His question was "How many came out with accusations", and you answered with "nothing's been proven". That does not answer his question. Many have come out since Bush was replaced by Obama, effectively decreasing his power and the fears that he would come after anyone who spoke out. It certainly is interesting that some seem to think that all of these individuals are lying.
 
Devil505 said:
We Dems could have also stopped funding the war (after 2006) & impeached Bush & Cheney. I hold Spkr. Pelosi & Harry Reid responsible for not having the guts to do the right thing! (They should both be run out of office)
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You are absolutely correct!!!!!!!!!!!! (about the impeachment) We need to finish our obligation and finish our commitment to Iraq. I don't want another Vietnam. This nation chose to go to war, this nation needs to stomach the war.
 
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Devil505 said:
We Dems could have also stopped funding the war (after 2006) & impeached Bush & Cheney. I hold Spkr. Pelosi & Harry Reid responsible for not having the guts to do the right thing! (They should both be run out of office)
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and shot. :)
 
TBone said:
You are absolutely correct!!!!!!!!!!!! (about the impeachment) We need to finish our obligation and finish our commitment to Iraq. I don't want another Vietnam. This nation chose to go to war, this nation needs to stomach the war.
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It really depends on the Iraqi Government. We can hold our part of the bargain, but unless they step up, the war effort will fail anyway. And we'll look badly at it in the future. Same thing in Afghanistan.
 
Devil505 said:
We Dems could have also stopped funding the war (after 2006) & impeached Bush & Cheney. I hold Spkr. Pelosi & Harry Reid responsible for not having the guts to do the right thing! (They should both be run out of office)
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I find it hard to criticize some one for not trying to do something that would have been futile.
 
Middleground said:
I wasn't trying to specify the terrorist alert level at the time of the election, but more the approach the Bush campaign took to get re-elected. Things like saying that only Bush will keep America safe, and all of the other bull**** that the American people ate up.
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So was there another T-type attack on america during that time or since?
 
Did raising the terror levels actually help him win the election in 2004? I know that I have never once looked at that color coded waste of money. Has anyone else?
 
RightOfCenter said:
Did raising the terror levels actually help him win the election in 2004? I know that I have never once looked at that color coded waste of money. Has anyone else?
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It probably earned him like 2 votes out of the 5 million he won by.
 
Dav said:
It probably earned him like 2 votes out of the 5 million he won by.
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It's still abuse of power, an impeachable offense & aimed at stealing an election. I call that Treason.
 
Devil505 said:
It's still abuse of power, an impeachable offense & aimed at stealing an election. I call that Treason.
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You would, but what you wouldn't call treason is trying to take over a seventh of the American economy, GM and Wall Street.
 
American said:
You would, but what you wouldn't call treason is trying to take over a seventh of the American economy, GM and Wall Street.
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No I wouldn't. I would call that saving this country from another great depression & continuing & improving on a policy started by the GOP.

(hmm...Wasn't it Bush who cried that we needed the bailouts & McCain who stopped his campaign to rush back to Washington to make sure they went though?)
They only stopped being a good idea when a Democrat was sitting in the WH.
 
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Lerxst said:
Ridge's comments are speculative hyperbole???? BRILLIANT!!!!!

No matter how many former Bush officials come out of the woodwork and tell their stories they will always end up being lying villains to you.

You're a hilarious little guy that's for sure!

:rofl:rofl:rofl
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I see that reading comprehension is still an issue with you; my comments were quite clear: “More speculative hyperbole from the Left.” What part of the “left” do you not comprehend? My comments had NOTHING to do with Ridge but rather the typical emotional hysterics coming from Liberals.

But that clarified, you're more than welcome to present any evidence of crimes/corruption that have been prosecuted to support the emotional Liberal bile this forum is constantly plastered with about the "corruption" within the Bush Administration.

But alas, much like your empty rhetoric, there won't be any forthcoming even with Democrats in charge of EVERYTHING. Intelligent people might ask themselves that if there was so much corruption, why then are there no charges; the answer to that is patently obvious to anyone who is not wallowing in abject hyper partisan ignorance, because there was none.

Now, did you have anything substantive to add to the topic, or were you merely trolling the thread; again.
 
TBone said:
I am a dem, and I don't buy that it scared the dem's. The reason they voted for it was they had no backbone to contest the GOP who were riding a wave of popularity.

We often want to blame the GOP for our involvement in Iraq, but the Dem's allowed it to happen without one gripe. They refused to challenge the intelligence or the prez.

When you go to a store, and you see a child being a brat and the parents refuse to discipline the child, who should be smacked the kid or the parents for letting the child be a brat?

The GOP and GW were given the keys to the kingdom with no opposition from the dems, so they went to Iraq and created a fiasco.

In a nut shell, we went there without the opposing party questioning it, granted we'd probably be in Iraq anyways because the Dems didn'th have the votes, but maybe we'd of slowed down and required more accurate intelligence.
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While I thanked you and agree with much of your post, there are a few areas I want to clarify:

Most of the Democrat leadership had the same intelligence and same beliefs; which was why it had overwhelming bi-partisan support.

The notion that we created a fiasco out of Iraq however requires willful denial about the historic facts regarding Iraq. The notion that it was not already a fiasco before we went in is disingenuous at least. My opinion is that it has become a more credible fiasco and at least has representative Government that won’t go about creating havoc in the region, invading neighbors and sponsoring terrorism. The same can be said for Afghanistan.

I appreciate your honesty on this issue however.
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