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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Not antagonizing you, but have you ever lied? The answer is "yes." If you answered no, well there's your lie.

    No human can live without telling a lie. Whether it is a small white lie, or a big lie...but the point is not to eliminate lying. It's like corruption, it will always be present, but you can do what you can to reduce it. Obama is lying a hell of a lot less then Bush did, if thats some comfort for you.
    Well, true, I most likely have lied at some point in my life. I try to avoid it, however. Putting a spin on the truth, however, I do often, usually for humor purposes, or to make a point.

    I would prefer that we strive for no lies whatsoever in politics, but I know that such will never occur. Doesn't mean we shouldn't go for it.

    As to your opinion that Pres. Obama has lied a lot less than Pres. Bush did...well, he has had less time in office...and it is and will likely continue to be a matter of opinion. Even if Pres. Obama is proven to have never said anything true at any time while being recorded, some people will still have a supporting opinion.

    Same goes for any politician out there.
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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

    This is very serious.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

    What a serious allegation. I'm not surprised at all. I just wish Mr Ridge had blown the whistle sooner.

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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    This is very serious.
    I agree, and this type of dictatorial behaviour does seem to be a common theme under the Bush administration. I think it's important for the American people to ensure that this type of governance does not happen again, and this is why is important that the truth come out.

    As far as whether this won them the election, I don't know. I doubt it, but it still might have played a role with some folk. Historically, instilling fear in a population has proven to work.
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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

    The fear works in Congress too. Look at how many dems backed the Iraq War.

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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    The American voter shouldn't have to wonder what their President is lying about.

    There was once a time where that Office was a symbol of honor, courage, and leadership by example, NOT power...
    When was this? 300 years ago? You do know that Washington and Jefferson were still politicians regardless of all the beautiful things they were right? Their anatomy, brain waves and general humanity were not that much different then yours or mine. They still lied, played tricks and brought as much drama to the executive office as other President. The only difference is that back then C-SPAN wasn't around and their every word, thought or belief could not be scrutinized.
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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

    In his new book, the first Homeland Security chief, Tom Ridge, accuses top aides to President George W. Bush of pressing him to raise the terror alert level to influence the 2004 presidential election........
    Well, since it doesn't read "Bush rose the terror alert to influence the election" I'm guessing that Bush refused to give in to his aides' pressure. Good for him

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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    Well, since it doesn't read "Bush rose the terror alert to influence the election" I'm guessing that Bush refused to give in to his aides' pressure. Good for him
    I think it's becoming more and more clear that even though Bush was President, he clearly was not part of all of the bad decisions. From what is coming to light now, Bush and Cheney had a riff in the last part of Bush's Presidency, when it seems that Dubya took a more sterner approach with his administration and staff.

    Having said that, as President, does he not have the final say? If he was aware of this (maybe he wasn't?), and thought it morally wrong, there was noting stopping him from allowing it to happen.
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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Having said that, as President, does he not have the final say? If he was aware of this (maybe he wasn't?), and thought it morally wrong, there was noting stopping him from allowing it to happen.
    I don't think it did happen. I don't think the terror alert level was raised to influence the election. I think that some aides proposed that the terror alert be raised, and Bush refused, leaving the alert where it was

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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    I don't think it did happen. I don't think the terror alert level was raised to influence the election. I think that some aides proposed that the terror alert be raised, and Bush refused, leaving the alert where it was
    Thats good if he didn't. But, we don't know. Not to mention, plenty of things happened without Bush's knowledge.
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