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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    He certainly did. It's a felony for federal employees (like the AG) to use their official powers for political purposes. It's a Hatch Act violation, for starters. (trying to get Ridge to use the Alert status of the U.S. to help Bush get reelected is a crime, whether the actual act was done or not)
    Show me where Ridge said that.
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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Show me where Ridge said that.
    Read his book (synopsis below but read the book itself)



    Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system - National Politics Blog - Political Intelligence - Boston.com
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    Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system
    Email|Link|Comments (83) Posted by Foon Rhee, deputy national political editor August 20, 2009 07:21 PM

    In his new book, the first Homeland Security chief, Tom Ridge, accuses top aides to President George W. Bush of pressing him to raise the terror alert level to influence the 2004 presidential election.

    Ridge, a former Republican governor of Pennsylvania, says that he refused the entreaty just before the election from Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Attorney General John Ashcroft, according to a summary of the book from publisher Thomas Dunne Books.
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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Read his book
    Except for the fact that other people say he didn't.

    From the article (which I wonder if you bothered to read?):
    "Bush's former homeland security adviser, Frances Townsend, told the Associated Press today that politics never played a role in determining alert levels. She noted that in the weeks before the electio two videotapes, including one from al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, were released that she said contained "very graphic" and "threatening" messages..."He was certainly not pressured. And, by the way, he didn't object when it was raised and he certainly didn't object when it wasn't raised.""
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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    Except for the fact that other people say he didn't.
    Well then....I guess we'll just have to leave it up to the jury at Rumsfield's & Ashcroft's criminal trial. (& possibly Bush & Cheney themselves if conspiracy to violate the Hatch Act can be proved....which I think it probably could)

    Federal employees should also be aware that certain political activities may also be criminal offenses under title 18 of the U.S. Code. See 18 U.S.C. 210, 211, 594, 595, 600, 601, 602, 603, 604, 605, 606, 607, 610.



    An eyewitness allegation from a credible source like Tom Ridge is certainly enough for any grand jury to return an indictment.
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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

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    Well then....I guess we'll just have to leave it up to the jury at Rumsfield's & Ashcroft's criminal trial. (& possibly Bush & Cheney themselves if conspiracy to violate the Hatch Act can be proved....which I think it probably could)

    An eyewitness allegation from a credible source like Tom Ridge is certainly enough for any grand jury to return an indictment.

    Video tapes were released by Al Quaeda indicating an attack. The Bush administration believed this was cause to maybe, you know, warn the public with their fancy new terror alert system. Again, Frances Townsend the President's Homeland Security Advisor:

    "Townsend told CNN Friday that "the discussion revolved around what the intelligence was. There was no discussion of politics whatsoever."

    In fact, "the only discussions I (recall) was on the margins of that, there was concern if the Republicans supported raising the threat level it might be ... to the detriment of President Bush because people might see it as being political."

    They thought it would hurt them in the elections and yet they pushed for it anyway! The only reason Ridge put this out is because he and his publishing company know that books bashing the former president and accusing him of wrongdoing would sell. The guy simply wants to make money. And no, one witness saying that someone thought about doing something bad is not enough for an indictment. There won't be a criminal trial for any of those that actually pushed for this, mainly because they had a credible threat giving them reason to push for it.
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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

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    Video tapes were released by Al Quaeda indicating an attack. The Bush administration believed this was cause to maybe, you know, warn the public with their fancy new terror alert system. Again, Frances Townsend the President's Homeland Security Advisor:

    "Townsend told CNN Friday that "the discussion revolved around what the intelligence was. There was no discussion of politics whatsoever."

    In fact, "the only discussions I (recall) was on the margins of that, there was concern if the Republicans supported raising the threat level it might be ... to the detriment of President Bush because people might see it as being political."

    They thought it would hurt them in the elections and yet they pushed for it anyway! The only reason Ridge put this out is because he and his publishing company know that books bashing the former president and accusing him of wrongdoing would sell. The guy simply wants to make money. And no, one witness saying that someone thought about doing something bad is not enough for an indictment. There won't be a criminal trial for any of those that actually pushed for this, mainly because they had a credible threat giving them reason to push for it.
    Information the defense can release at the criminal trial. (I don't think a jury will buy it but hey........give it a shot!)

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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Information the defense can release at the criminal trial. (I don't think a jury will buy it but hey........give it a shot!)
    Really? You don't think that the jury would buy the fact that there was a credible terrorist threat? Because one guy who had "suspicions" that it may have been political. And you actually think a jury would convict on that? Much less that it will actually go to trial? Are you serious or are you trolling?
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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Well then....I guess we'll just have to leave it up to the jury at Rumsfield's & Ashcroft's criminal trial. (& possibly Bush & Cheney themselves if conspiracy to violate the Hatch Act can be proved....which I think it probably could)

    Federal employees should also be aware that certain political activities may also be criminal offenses under title 18 of the U.S. Code. See 18 U.S.C. 210, 211, 594, 595, 600, 601, 602, 603, 604, 605, 606, 607, 610.



    An eyewitness allegation from a credible source like Tom Ridge is certainly enough for any grand jury to return an indictment.
    You don't put people on trial merely to find out whether or not they've been accused of a crime. The accusation has to come first.
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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    Really? You don't think that the jury would buy the fact that there was a credible terrorist threat? Because one guy who had "suspicions" that it may have been political. And you actually think a jury would convict on that? Much less that it will actually go to trial? Are you serious or are you trolling?
    I don't even think Ridge said he had suspicions that the pressure was politically motivated. The politics was on his part for worrying how the raise in the threat level might've been perceived by the electorate and the media. If anyone should be put on trial it's Ridge.
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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    Really? You don't think that the jury would buy the fact that there was a credible terrorist threat? Because one guy who had "suspicions" that it may have been political. And you actually think a jury would convict on that? Much less that it will actually go to trial? Are you serious or are you trolling?
    Yes really. (When the well respected head of Homeland Security charges criminal wrongdoing in direct testimony...it will be compelling & decisive in sending some criminals to the federal pen)

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