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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Has anyone collaborated with his story? Frances Townsend doesn't and others have dismissed it out of hand.

    I don't know the guy at all so I have no idea if he's a stand up guy or not. I'm not sure how "stand up" it is to release info such as this as a marketing scheme for your book.
    Problem is..(unless people are really stupid) when they engage in criminal activity they don't usually record/transcribe their crimes, unless their name is Nixon. If the meetings where this alleged crime was committed was recorded or transcribed, we will get our proof. Lack of such proof doesn't prove it didn't happen.

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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    He claims he was pressured but didn't raise the alert level & I agree that the time to say something was then. However, that doesn't change the fact that, if he's proven right, it was yet another attempt by the Bush Admin. to politicize the whole Exec. branch in violation of law.
    What Ridge actually said is different from the title of this thread. You and others need to read his comments and you would've already if you'd been reading the thread.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    We need better investigative reporters to get to the bottom of some of this crap while it's happening. Seems today much of journalism has been reduced to he said/she said with little to no real old fashioned investigation.
    They investigated the hell out of Joe the plumber.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    What Ridge actually said is different from the title of this thread. You and others need to read his comments and you would've already if you'd been reading the thread.
    So the linked article posted by the OP is inaccurate when it says this?

    In his new book, the first Homeland Security chief, Tom Ridge, accuses top aides to President George W. Bush of pressing him to raise the terror alert level to influence the 2004 presidential election.

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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    So the linked article posted by the OP is inaccurate when it says this?

    In his new book, the first Homeland Security chief, Tom Ridge, accuses top aides to President George W. Bush of pressing him to raise the terror alert level to influence the 2004 presidential election.
    That quote contradicts Ridge's comment, which was already posted in this thread.

    There's a second point here which is also huge. Some people in this thread (including the title) are claiming that this actually changed the terror level. That also isn't true.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    That quote contradicts Ridge's comment, which was already posted in this thread.
    Repost it here please.

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    There's a second point here which is also huge. Some people in this thread (including the title) are claiming that this actually changed the terror level. That also isn't true.
    I don't know any credible source who said that. Certainly not Ridge, & the topic title makes no such claim.

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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Repost it here please.


    I don't know any credible source who said that. Certainly not Ridge, & the topic title makes no such claim.
    It's somewhere in this thread.

    The title of this thread does indeed make that claim and someone claimed that it changed the outcome of the election.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Problem is..(unless people are really stupid) when they engage in criminal activity they don't usually record/transcribe their crimes, unless their name is Nixon. If the meetings where this alleged crime was committed was recorded or transcribed, we will get our proof. Lack of such proof doesn't prove it didn't happen.
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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Problem is..(unless people are really stupid) when they engage in criminal activity they don't usually record/transcribe their crimes, unless their name is Nixon. If the meetings where this alleged crime was committed was recorded or transcribed, we will get our proof. Lack of such proof doesn't prove it didn't happen.
    Ridge didn't accuse anyone of a crime.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Ridge didn't accuse anyone of a crime.
    He certainly did. It's a felony for federal employees (like the AG) to use their official powers for political purposes. It's a Hatch Act violation, for starters. (trying to get Ridge to use the Alert status of the U.S. to help Bush get reelected is a crime, whether the actual act was done or not)
    Last edited by Devil505; 08-30-09 at 08:55 AM.

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