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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

    Was the terror alert raised or is he claiming he was pressured but didn't do it? If he was pressured he should have said so at the time vs. waiting to sell the info in his new book.

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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Was the terror alert raised or is he claiming he was pressured but didn't do it? If he was pressured he should have said so at the time vs. waiting to sell the info in his new book.
    He claims he was pressured but didn't raise the alert level & I agree that the time to say something was then. However, that doesn't change the fact that, if he's proven right, it was yet another attempt by the Bush Admin. to politicize the whole Exec. branch in violation of law.
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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    He claims he was pressured but didn't raise the alert level & I agree that the time to say something was then. However, that doesn't change the fact that, if he's proven right, it was yet another attempt by the Bush Admin. to politicize the whole Exec. branch in violation of law.
    Yeah, if it's true it's completely wrong. However it sucks that we can only choose to believe him or not without ever knowing for sure. It is supposed to be the most exciting bit of information in his entire book. It is the line that the book is going to be marketed with. It's basically the selling point. Probably he's not lying, but I can't know that and it sort of pisses me off. He should have said something THEN vs now when saying something scandalous earns him money. If his book didn't have that tidbit it probably wouldn't sell as well. How would they market it, then?

    The whole situation disgusts me frankly.

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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Yeah, if it's true it's completely wrong. However it sucks that we can only choose to believe him or not without ever knowing for sure. It is supposed to be the most exciting bit of information in his entire book. It is the line that the book is going to be marketed with. It's basically the selling point. Probably he's not lying, but I can't know that and it sort of pisses me off. He should have said something THEN vs now when saying something scandalous earns him money. If his book didn't have that tidbit it probably wouldn't sell as well. How would they market it, then?

    The whole situation disgusts me frankly.
    I pretty much agree with you & hate it when people only release info to sell a book. If the info is true, it's usually too late to do any good if you wait years until you can sell your story.

    That being said, from all I know of Tom Ridge, he's a stand-up guy & I believe his story...which can either be corroberated or refuted by others. I believe him but lost any respect for him due to waiting until he could SELL the info.

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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I pretty much agree with you & hate it when people only release info to sell a book. If the info is true, it's usually too late to do any good if you wait years until you can sell your story.

    That being said, from all I know of Tom Ridge, he's a stand-up guy & I believe his story...which can either be corroberated or refuted by others. I believe him but lost any respect for him due to waiting until he could SELL the info.
    Has anyone collaborated with his story? Frances Townsend doesn't and others have dismissed it out of hand.

    I don't know the guy at all so I have no idea if he's a stand up guy or not. I'm not sure how "stand up" it is to release info such as this as a marketing scheme for your book.

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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Has anyone collaborated with his story? Frances Townsend doesn't and others have dismissed it out of hand.

    I don't know the guy at all so I have no idea if he's a stand up guy or not. I'm not sure how "stand up" it is to release info such as this as a marketing scheme for your book.
    I have not yet heard any corroboration, though I don't consider that surprising. There just are not many who would be able to corroborate it.

    It's certainly sad that people do stuff like this to sell books, but hardly uncommon. I sometimes doubt we will ever find a really moral public official.

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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

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    I have not yet heard any corroboration, though I don't consider that surprising. There just are not many who would be able to corroborate it.

    It's certainly sad that people do stuff like this to sell books, but hardly uncommon. I sometimes doubt we will ever find a really moral public official.
    We need better investigative reporters to get to the bottom of some of this crap while it's happening. Seems today much of journalism has been reduced to he said/she said with little to no real old fashioned investigation.

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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    We need better investigative reporters to get to the bottom of some of this crap while it's happening. Seems today much of journalism has been reduced to he said/she said with little to no real old fashioned investigation.
    No kidding. When was the last really important scandal broken by the media? Or that was really advanced by the media? Reporters need to go watch All The President's Men a few times...

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    Re: Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Has anyone collaborated with his story? Frances Townsend doesn't and others have dismissed it out of hand.

    I don't know the guy at all so I have no idea if he's a stand up guy or not. I'm not sure how "stand up" it is to release info such as this as a marketing scheme for your book.
    FWIW, he wasn't the one who released this info - it was the company publishing his book. There are quotes from Ridge and the book itself that directly contradict the claim advanced by the publisher.
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