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    Re: Terminally ill Lockerbie bomber released

    I'm simply not going to be able to read this thread or any more about this story. I'm sick. literally, that they have released this ****ing scumbag mass murdering terrorist ****. JDAM therapy for what ails this monstrous non-human.
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    Re: Terminally ill Lockerbie bomber released

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I'm simply not going to be able to read this thread or any more about this story. I'm sick. literally, that they have released this ****ing scumbag mass murdering terrorist ****. JDAM therapy for what ails this monstrous non-human.
    should have read it, there is a hell of alot of posts doubting his guilt, even by surviving family members. Apparently it is not so cut and dry

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    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: Terminally ill Lockerbie bomber released

    On the bright side, he'll be burning in Hell soon.

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    Re: Terminally ill Lockerbie bomber released

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    should have read it, there is a hell of alot of posts doubting his guilt, even by surviving family members. Apparently it is not so cut and dry
    And about his release, it seemed that if they were to go by the law at the moment, there might have been no choice in releasing him. From what I understood of a BBC interview where they were discussing about how there was no political upside to the release, someone mentioned that there was a law in place (came into force in 04 or 05 I think, I can't remember) for releasing prisoners with terminal disease who had less than three months left to live. What I did not get from that interview is that if this provided the option to release the person on compassionate grounds or if someone who fulfilled these conditions would have to be released. I'll try and dig up on this.
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    Re: Terminally ill Lockerbie bomber released

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Better?
    I believe a more fitting word is stupid.

    Scotland is showing compassion to someone show showed none to his victims.
    And no, there is no 'we'
    This decision had nothing to do with England, Wales or Northern Ireland. That is how devolution works remember.

    This was Scotland's stupid decision
    By "we", I did actually mean Scotland. And I see no reason for us to try and justify our actions by looking to the actions of a murderer(which I'm personally not convinced Megrahi actully is). He showed them no mercy, so we should so him no mercy? How exactly do two wrongs make a right?
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    Re: Terminally ill Lockerbie bomber released

    Quote Originally Posted by Anima View Post
    By "we", I did actually mean Scotland. And I see no reason for us to try and justify our actions by looking to the actions of a murderer(which I'm personally not convinced Megrahi actully is). He showed them no mercy, so we should so him no mercy? How exactly do two wrongs make a right?
    Yeah, I guess it's weird for you.
    Many nations outside of Scotland believe that criminals need to be punished, though.
    But what do those nations know?
    Onwards Scottish justice, show mercy for the mass-murdering terrorist.
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    Re: Terminally ill Lockerbie bomber released

    Okay lets get some things straight.

    As a principle, yes life means life according to the local justice system. In the US it is life, where as elsewhere it is 20ish years.. that is how the laws are, and no amount of bitching can change that. But also as a principle there are methods in all justice systems to get early release based on certain criteria and like it or not this man met those criteria in Scotland. There is NO law anywhere that forbids the releasing of convicted terrorists or even child predators, not even in the US.

    But back to this case. The man was convicted based on evidence that since hence, aka after the fact, has been at best been highly questionable and at worst directly wrong or fabricated. There was evidence withheld from the defence team and worse.

    We have after the fact learned that the key witness for the prosecution received millions from the US government as payment for his testimony and was living in Australia. We have also after the fact found out that a few hours (17) before the bombing there was a break in at the very luggage handling centre where the supposed bags with bombs was loaded onto the Pam Am jet from supposedly Malta. This information was never given to the defence and was directly held back by the Brits as it would plug huge holes in their whole case. The trace evidence from the bomb itself was also huge problem. At the trial it was pushed as if a certain type of timer by a Swiss company had been used. After the fact it turned out to be false and we now know today that the owner of the Swiss company was offered millions by the FBI to provide false testimony and the testimony used at the trial was one big lie. There are other issues with evidence and time lines and what not that in total makes the result of the trial be put in huge doubt.

    2 years ago an independent tribunal recommended the cast to the court of appeals for a suspected miscarriage of justice. Thanks to legal delays this case was delayed and delayed and delayed.. I guess the fact that the man in question was already dying of cancer played into the case, since if it had gone forward, the issues with the case, and the involvement of the UK and US governments would have been put on record and talk about an embarrassment.

    Now we wont have an appeal but the evidence will be released and of course the usual right wing talking heads in the US and UK will try to discredit all the evidence, cloud the issue and keep shouting "he was convicted in a court of law" bs. It seems to me that the idea of being wrongly convicted of a crime you have not committed is an alien concept for certain people, who see the world in black and more black when it comes to certain things.

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    Re: Terminally ill Lockerbie bomber released

    Rather than make a new thread, may as well post on this one ...

    New row over cancer diagnosis of Lockerbie bomber

    It emerged that the prognosis that Abdel Baset Ali al-Megrahi had a life expectancy of only three months or less was supported by an unnamed doctor who had no expertise in terminal prostate cancer.

    The final report on al-Megrahi’s condition which went to Kenny MacAskill was drawn up by Dr Andrew Fraser, director of health and care with the Scottish Prison Service.

    The three-month time limit is important because Scottish Prison Service guidance says that compassionate release from prison “may be considered where a prisoner is suffering from a terminal illness and death is likely to occur soon. There are no fixed time limits but life expectancy of less than three months may be considered an appropriate period.”
    New row over 'non-expert' cancer diagnosis of Lockerbie bomber al-Megrahi - Times Online
    Holy ****.
    He probably isn't going to die anytime soon seeing Scotland didn't even get a expert with medical experience to check


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    Angry NO MERCY for Lockerbie bomber say Scots in BBC poll.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Rather than make a new thread, may as well post on this one ...

    New row over cancer diagnosis of Lockerbie bomber



    New row over 'non-expert' cancer diagnosis of Lockerbie bomber al-Megrahi - Times Online
    Holy ****.
    He probably isn't going to die anytime soon seeing Scotland didn't even get a expert with medical experience to check
    Prostate cancer is one of the slowest growing cancers. Many people get it and live for years and end up dying of other causes.

    One of the most aggressive cancers is brain cancer. Senator Kennedy would have counted his blessings if he had got prostate cancer instead.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Megrahi supporters bribed a doctor to say "Dead in three months."

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9qX8vV7sAE"]YouTube - NO MERCY for Lockerbie bomber say Scots in BBC poll & Peter Dow comments.[/ame]

    Brian Taylor reports for the BBC on the results of a poll of Scots regarding the release of the Lockerbie bomber.

    The original BBC report has been edited before upload to include additional commentary and political analysis by Peter Dow, the author of the Scottish National Standard Bearer website and administrator of the For Freedom Forums.


    Quote Originally Posted by BBC
    Majority 'oppose' Megrahi release

    Magrahi served eight years in Scottish prisons after being convicted in 2001
    Only a third of Scots believe the Lockerbie bomber should have been freed from prison last week, a poll commissioned by BBC News has suggested.

    The ICM Research survey indicated almost three quarters thought Scotland's reputation was damaged by Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi's release.
    Transcript of Peter Dow's additional commentary.
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Dow
    With additional commentary by me Peter Dow, author of the Scottish National Standard Bearer website and administrator of the For Freedom Forums.


    and more from me Peter Dow


    "Scottish Government" Brian? Well the Queen's government of Scotland would call themselves "Scottish" even if they are enslaving Scots wouldn't they?


    "The Scottish Government" Alex? Well you would call your Government "Scottish" even though you have been appointed by Queen Elizabeth to keep Scots enslaved by her rule!


    "The due process of Scots law" Alex?

    The processes of Scots law are well over-due for revolution. It is NOT "due process" for Scots to have imposed upon us a Union of the Crowns, constitution from hell imposing arbitrary justice, with bad laws imposed and good laws ignored. There can be no "due process" of Scots law while we Scots are enslaved by your Queen.


    A dying man? The man was walking up and down steps, talking and he was well enough to serve Gaddafi's triumphal purposes.


    That release was not the same as judicial "compassion" - that was soft in the head, which IS a bad thing from a government.


    Megrahi was dying to please Gaddafi.


    Power devolved is power retained Brian. It is a United Kingdom, Union of the Crowns, government of Scotland, government by the Queen and for the Queen.

    Kenny MacAskill did not take this decision alone. He cited support from the churches led by former Lord High Commissioners of the Church of Scotland like David Steel and Prince Andrew, the UK's oil deal representative to Libya.


    The Scottish legal system has not been independent of the English crown since the Union of the Crowns in1603. For centuries, the judges, courts and prisons in Scotland have taken their orders from just one monarch, that of the Kingdom of Great Britain and more recently that of the United Kingdom. That remains the case today. There is NO Scottish independent legal system Brian.


    The only thing which is limp is your political analysis Brian which fails to identify that the Queen's government in Scotland has no entitlement to use the Saltire as an alternative Butcher's Apron by releasing a man convicted of butchering Scots and our friends at Lockerbie.
    Last edited by Peter Dow; 08-29-09 at 04:09 AM.

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    Re: Terminally ill Lockerbie bomber released

    I would not have released him but still, three months to live or three years he will meet that moment we all do, the white light and question, what did you do with your life?

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