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    Re: Terminally ill Lockerbie bomber released

    Jesus titty****ing Christ, man! For the third time:

    In addition to the aforementioned impropriety that would be involved if key prosecution witness Gauci had again been payed for his submission of evidence, there were four separate issues mentioned in the report of UN observer Dr. Hans Koechler. They involved the lack of credibility of a "key" forensic witness, the claim of a retired Scottish police chief who stated that “that the CIA planted the tiny fragment of circuit board crucial in convicting a Libyan,” the lack of credibility of an FBI forensic specialist who may have had an inappropriate ideological bias, and the "mix-up of forensic evidence recovered on the ground in Lockerbie with material used during a series of test explosions in the course of the investigation." There have also been complaints by Megrahi's defense team related to the non-release of documents that may have diluted the credibility of the evidence of timer fragments found in his clothing. The source of these documents was the CIA, which insisted that they not be released. BBC News reports that these documents "may have undermined the case against Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi."

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    Re: Terminally ill Lockerbie bomber released

    any chance this happened so they did not have to pay the medical expenses? ?

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    I'm just sick of Agna going on for pages about the need for some evidence, and he won't show it. Come on Agna, bring it up. Why not? He was convicted in a fair trial where he was assumed innocent until proved guilty. For all intents and purposes, unless you or someone else can show that their is a reasonable doubt, he's now assumed guilty now.

    Tell us, why should we let the f*cker out?

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    Re: Terminally ill Lockerbie bomber released

    Ugh, what the ****? Unless you're packed with more demerol and pixie dust than Michael Jackson and Billy Mays put together, LOOK AT POST #91!

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    Re: Terminally ill Lockerbie bomber released

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post

    In addition to the aforementioned impropriety that would be involved if key prosecution witness Gauci had again been payed for his submission of evidence, there were four separate issues mentioned in the report of UN observer Dr. Hans Koechler. They involved the lack of credibility of a "key" forensic witness, the claim of a retired Scottish police chief who stated that “that the CIA planted the tiny fragment of circuit board crucial in convicting a Libyan,” the lack of credibility of an FBI forensic specialist who may have had an inappropriate ideological bias, and the "mix-up of forensic evidence recovered on the ground in Lockerbie with material used during a series of test explosions in the course of the investigation."
    There have also been complaints by Megrahi's defense team related to the non-release of documents that may have diluted the credibility of the evidence of timer fragments found in his clothing. The source of these documents was the CIA, which insisted that they not be released. BBC News reports that these documents "may have undermined the case against Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi."

    This is all hearsay. He is now presumed guilty, show evidence that there's reasonable doubt, not hearsay, and then there will be reasonable doubt again.

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    Re: Terminally ill Lockerbie bomber released

    Didn't see the last post there mate

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    Re: Terminally ill Lockerbie bomber released

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    This is all hearsay. He is now presumed guilty, show evidence that there's reasonable doubt, not hearsay, and then there will be reasonable doubt again.
    Actually, it constitutes identification of deficiencies in key prosecutorial evidence.

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    Re: Terminally ill Lockerbie bomber released

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    In addition to the aforementioned impropriety that would be involved if key prosecution witness Gauci had again been payed for his submission of evidence, there were four separate issues mentioned in the report of UN observer Dr. Hans Koechler. They involved the lack of credibility of a "key" forensic witness, the claim of a retired Scottish police chief who stated that “that the CIA planted the tiny fragment of circuit board crucial in convicting a Libyan,” the lack of credibility of an FBI forensic specialist who may have had an inappropriate ideological bias, and the "mix-up of forensic evidence recovered on the ground in Lockerbie with material used during a series of test explosions in the course of the investigation." There have also been complaints by Megrahi's defense team related to the non-release of documents that may have diluted the credibility of the evidence of timer fragments found in his clothing. The source of these documents was the CIA, which insisted that they not be released. BBC News reports that these documents "may have undermined the case against Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi."
    This is by no means anything close to an evidence that the court conviction of the terrorist was wrong.
    And now I shall dissolve this to parts and give you further details as to why it is so.
    They involved the lack of credibility of a "key" forensic witness, the claim of a retired Scottish police chief who stated that “that the CIA planted the tiny fragment of circuit board crucial in convicting a Libyan,”
    A witness is a witness, his testimony is not taken as an evidence, by rather as a testimony, and is used to make it easier for the judge to reach the final judgment.
    Most of the witnesses in the regular trials against criminals have an unknown credibility.
    the lack of credibility of an FBI forensic specialist who may have had an inappropriate ideological bias
    May have had an inappropriate ideological bias my ass, he did his part in the trial and that's all, you cannot go around declaring that people with specific ideologies, that are against the charged person or the act, are probably biased and shouldn't be taken into mind.
    mix-up of forensic evidence recovered on the ground in Lockerbie with material used during a series of test explosions in the course of the investigation.
    While this might be a problem, the mix-up was brought into the judge's sight and has played its part in the trial in favor of the terrorist, it was not enough to damage the entire evidence against the terrorist.

    I'm sorry but if this is all you have to declare the court's decision wrong then you are way off the line.
    This is simply a regular trial's defense claims, most of the trials are a situation when both of the sides have claims, the charged and the charging.
    It's just that those puny arguments are all the defense could bring up, and therefore the terrorist was convicted for the act and was found guilty.
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    Re: Terminally ill Lockerbie bomber released

    No it's hearsay that the evidence may be flawed. It doesn't amount to anything more than speculation.

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    Re: Terminally ill Lockerbie bomber released

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    A witness is a witness, his testimony is not taken as an evidence, by rather as a testimony, and is used to make it easier for the judge to reach the final judgment.
    Most of the witnesses in the regular trials against criminals have an unknown credibility.
    Tony Gauci's testimony was the only concrete evidence of a link between Megrahi and the bomb which destroyed Pan Am 103, without him there quite simply was not a trial to be had.

    Gauci allegedly sold Megrahi clothes which were present in the suitcase which contained the bomb which destroyed Pan Am 103. However after the trial it came to light that Gauci had seen a picture of Megrahi in a magazine prior to identifying him in a line-out and further that he had been paid $2 million by the CIA to testify. He would later be described by the man responsible for the investigation as "not the full shilling" and other unflattering terms.

    There are, as has been mentioned, other issues with other pieces of "evidence", however, to me those issues are basically irrelevant in comparison. If Gauci was telling the truth, Megrahi at least had significant involvement, if Gauci is not quite the "full shilling" then a miscarriage of justice has occurred.
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