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    FACT CHECK: Health overhaul myths taking root

    If you are tired of all the right-wing lies....check the facts:


    FACT CHECK: Health overhaul myths taking root - Yahoo! News

    Fact #1: [I]THE FACTS: Nothing being debated in Washington would give the government such authority. Critics have twisted a provision in a House bill that would direct Medicare to pay for counseling sessions about end-of-life care, living wills, hospices and the like if a patient wants such consultations with a doctor. They have said, incorrectly, that the elderly would be required to have these sessions.

    Fact #2 : THE FACTS: Obama is not proposing a single-payer system in which the government covers everyone, like in Canada or some European countries. He says that direction is not right for the U.S. The proposals being negotiated do not go there.

    Fact#3: THE FACTS: The House version of legislation would allow coverage for abortion in the public plan. But the procedure would be paid for with dollars from beneficiary premiums, not from federal funds. Likewise, private plans in the new insurance exchange could opt to cover abortion, but no federal subsidies would be used to pay for the procedure.
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    Re: FACT CHECK: Health overhaul myths taking root

    Ooooo! An AP article taken off of Yahoo! How credible.

    I'm convinced.
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    Re: FACT CHECK: Health overhaul myths taking root

    I think it's quite telling how the followers can tell us what's not going on, but don't have a clue about what is going on.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: FACT CHECK: Health overhaul myths taking root

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I think it's quite telling how the followers can tell us what's not going on, but don't have a clue about what is going on.
    Indeed. Funny how they all know how it's going to turn out when the President himself doesn't have all the details... Then again, that's never stopped HIM from opening his mouth before.
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    Re: FACT CHECK: Health overhaul myths taking root

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I think it's quite telling how the followers can tell us what's not going on, but don't have a clue about what is going on.
    I find it equally telling that everything you claimed is in the bill, isn't.

    By the way, I can tell you a large portion of what is in the bill, and know where to look for details.

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    Re: FACT CHECK: Health overhaul myths taking root

    THE FACTS: Nothing being debated in Washington would give the government such authority. Critics have twisted a provision in a House bill that would direct Medicare to pay for counseling sessions about end-of-life care, living wills, hospices and the like if a patient wants such consultations with a doctor. They have said, incorrectly, that the elderly would be required to have these sessions.
    HR3200
    SEC. 1401. COMPARATIVE EFFECTIVENESS RESEARCH.

    (a) In General- title XI of the Social Security Act is amended by adding at the end the following new part:

    `Part D--Comparative Effectiveness Research
    `COMPARATIVE EFFECTIVENESS RESEARCH

    `Sec. 1181. (a) Center for Comparative Effectiveness Research Established-

    `(1) IN GENERAL- The Secretary shall establish within the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality a Center for Comparative Effectiveness Research (in this section referred to as the `Center') to conduct, support, and synthesize research (including research conducted or supported under section 1013 of the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act of 2003) with respect to the outcomes, effectiveness, and appropriateness of health care services and procedures in order to identify the manner in which diseases, disorders, and other health conditions can most effectively and appropriately be prevented, diagnosed, treated, and managed clinically.
    SEC. 2401. IMPLEMENTATION OF BEST PRACTICES IN THE DELIVERY OF HEALTH CARE.

    (a) In General- Title IX of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 299 et seq.) is amended--

    (1) by redesignating part D as part E;

    (2) by redesignating sections 931 through 938 as sections 941 through 948, respectively;

    (3) in section 938(1), by striking `931' and inserting `941'; and

    (4) by inserting after part C the following:

    `PART D--IMPLEMENTATION OF BEST PRACTICES IN THE DELIVERY OF HEALTH CARE

    `SEC. 931. CENTER FOR QUALITY IMPROVEMENT.

    `(a) In General- There is established the Center for Quality Improvement (referred to in this part as the `Center'), to be headed by the Director.

    `(b) Prioritization-

    `(1) IN GENERAL- The Director shall prioritize areas for the identification, development, evaluation, and implementation of best practices (including innovative methodologies and strategies) for quality improvement activities in the delivery of health care services (in this section referred to as `best practices').
    The article is wrong. The language is there--sugar-coated and glossed over--but it is still there.

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    Re: FACT CHECK: Health overhaul myths taking root

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I find it equally telling that everything you claimed is in the bill, isn't.

    By the way, I can tell you a large portion of what is in the bill, and know where to look for details.
    Tell me where in the bill it details how there's going to be adequate funding AND doctors to suddenly deal with the waves of Obama's 40 million uninsured WITHOUT rationing the care given.
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    Re: FACT CHECK: Health overhaul myths taking root

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I find it equally telling that everything you claimed is in the bill, isn't.

    By the way, I can tell you a large portion of what is in the bill, and know where to look for details.
    Well, actually, it is. Wait until we get into the government nanny program. That's gonna be a doosey.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: FACT CHECK: Health overhaul myths taking root

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    Tell me where in the bill it details how there's going to be adequate funding AND doctors to suddenly deal with the waves of Obama's 40 million uninsured WITHOUT rationing the care given.
    And while you're at it, Redress, you can point out where it says that it won't give free healthcare to 15 million illegals and detail how it's going to make health care costs go down, exactly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: FACT CHECK: Health overhaul myths taking root

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    The article is wrong. The language is there--sugar-coated and glossed over--but it is still there.
    You should read the question before you correct the answer.

    THE POLL: 45 percent said it's likely the government will decide when to stop care for the elderly; 50 percent said it's not likely.
    Nothing in what you quoted gives the government the power to decide when to stop care for the elderly. It gives the government the ability to decide what is covered and what is not. It's a rather unsubtle difference. Patients will still have the final say as to when to stop treatments, especially if they have living wills.

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