It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
Please take a look at the duties an responsibilities of this group and yo see a lack of power or design to do any of the things you say they will do.
It just isn't there.
We went through this before. You were quite unable to quote the language that lets them do anything like what you think.
Do they still teach sentence diagramming in schools these days?
I may be wrong.
Still no proof eh?Originally Posted by buck
Who said anything about considering illegal immigrants 'Americans'?Originally Posted by RightinNYC
The Census Bureau says nothing about illegals.
The CNS article, along with many others, are using the argument that since President Obama and others use the term uninsured "Americans", rather than the term "people" - the term the census bureau uses - when describing people in the United States without insurance therefore the report breakout that shows that 9.7 million people are "not a citizen" and should be deducted from the total amount of uninsured.
My point is why are the foreign born not inclusive in the uninsured population of the United States?
Foreign born (both naturalized and not a citizen) and nativity breakout is used by the bureau in most all studies and cited by just about everyone imaginable.
When talking about Income and earnings of Americans..."not a citizen" is used.
When talking about Americans in poverty..."not a citizen" is used.
When talking about a population of 300 million Americans..."not a citizen" is used.
Why exclude them from the ranks of uninsured? Political convenience?
Of course the illegal immigration population is estimated, but since your first article gave no figures let's take the second one (Pew's). Their estimate is 11.9 million unauthorized immigrants. 59% or 64% (take your pick) of that figure falls well short of your estimate of 10-12 million.Originally Posted by RightinNYC
No matter we still revert back to the census report as both of your cites are based on an analysis of data from the March Current Population Survey, conducted by the Census Bureau.
That report makes no mention of illegals. To clarify, there may be some illegals that responded to the census survey, but not to the extent that would exclude all other nationalities and legal immigrants covered under "not a citizen".
In the aforementioned earlier discussion you did make a sweeping accusation without exceptions. And no it's not clear that that's the exception that proves the rule.Originally Posted by RightinNYC
Originally Posted by RightinNYC
“I’m worried that I will be the last Republican president.” - George W. Bush
The thing that most of the people I've talked to, at the town hall protest in Tampa, understand that Health Care Reform is not about putting a clean, streamlined bill together. It's about the fact that Americans understand that we cannot centralize control over our health care. It has no bearing that there is misleading information all over the place. We, as a country, cannot let the government dictate procedure, or payment, or direct health care in any way. No matter what administration has power over the country. The administration will change, in God willing 4 years. History proves that once the government has decision-making control over any entity, it never-ever loosens its grip. It only increases in size and control. If it fails, which it is designed to do, they will only push for more regulation, and more money "fix the unintended consequences". We used to be a free people who understood the Bill of Rights were not just Rights. They are really a Bill of Responsibilities. You have a Responsibility to use your Freedom of speech when concerns over any matter start to restrict your ability to your right of Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. You have a responsibility to bear arms, again, when those rights are infringed upon by any source, and especially when it comes from the people appointed to represent our interests. Do NOT misunderstand, you should never use that right without exhausting ALL other options. We just cannot let the people in Washington forget that those "RESPONSIBILITIES" will never be delegated to them alone. They are not, nor have ever been, the smartest or most innovative among us. Our Freedoms are what have led us to the pinnacle of tremendous, unmatched wealth and widespread charity. The people who believe the government could ever Reform anything properly, misunderstand the fact that man is imperfect and will always create unforeseen problems. Those problems should never be under the dictate of government. Government is Force, and nothing less. It cannot coincide with liberty, unless minimilized and restricted.
Since this thread is about dispelling health care myths, I figgered i would post this from the Libbo loved Factcheck.org, dispelling the myth that abortions won't be paid for by the public plan.
The truth is that bills now before Congress don’t require federal money to be used for supporting abortion coverage. So the president is right to that limited extent. But it’s equally true that House and Senate legislation would allow a new "public" insurance plan to cover abortions, despite language added to the House bill that technically forbids using public funds to pay for them.
Abortion: Which Side Is Fabricating? | FactCheck.org