"Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it; no constitution, no law, no court can even do much to help it." - Judge Learned Hand
that's not my interpretation. quite a stretch, i think.
The Director shall prioritize areas for the identification, development, evaluation, and implementation of best practices (including innovative methodologies and strategies) for quality improvement activities in the delivery of health care services (in this section referred to as `best practices').
where is the requirment for counseling sessions?
Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:
These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.
Regardless - take the low-end, there are 10 million illegals. Obama still claims it is a moral imperative to insure the 47 million uninsured. So, how's he going to do that when a significant number are illegals and he claims he won't insure illegals?
Here ya go:
STATEMENT 2 Some 47 million Americans do not have health insurance.
This number from the Census Bureau is often cited as evidence that the health system is failing for many American families. Yet by masking tremendous heterogeneity in personal circumstances, the figure exaggerates the magnitude of the problem.
To start with, the 47 million includes about 10 million residents who are not American citizens. Many are illegal immigrants. Even if we had national health insurance, they would probably not be covered.
The number also fails to take full account of Medicaid, the governmentís health program for the poor. For instance, it counts millions of the poor who are eligible for Medicaid but have not yet applied. These individuals, who are healthier, on average, than those who are enrolled, could always apply if they ever needed significant medical care. They are uninsured in name only.
The 47 million also includes many who could buy insurance but havenít. The Census Bureau reports that 18 million of the uninsured have annual household income of more than $50,000, which puts them in the top half of the income distribution. About a quarter of the uninsured have been offered employer-provided insurance but declined coverage.
Of course, millions of Americans have trouble getting health insurance. But they number far less than 47 million, and they make up only a few percent of the population of 300 million.
Any reform should carefully focus on this group to avoid disrupting the vast majority for whom the system is working. We do not nationalize an industry simply because a small percentage of the work force is unemployed. Similarly, we should be wary of sweeping reforms of our health system if they are motivated by the fact that a small percentage of the population is uninsured.
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"He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
Or are you saying that Obama says it's imperative we get insurance for the 47 million unisured, but he really doesn't mean that, he's just talking?
Last edited by buck; 08-21-09 at 05:27 PM.
What? In what world are illegal immigrants considered "Americans"? I'll grant you that it's a closer question when it comes to people who are permanent residents/on certain visas, but it's absurd to pretend that illegal immigrants should be considered "Americans" for the purpose of convincing people that we need health care reform (which won't cover them anyways).Originally Posted by BWG
At best it's a misstatement, at worst it's a lie. Nothing else.
And as was discussed in that thread, there are other studies that indicate the numbers may be higher, depending on the method of calculation. One study indicated that 64% of illegal immigrants did not have health insurance. Another study indicated that 59% did not have health insurance at any point in 07 (this means that the rate would likely be considered higher, as the government traditionally counts someone among the ranks of the uninsured if they are without insurance for any part of the year. Depending on the number of illegal immigrants in the country, that may place the number higher.From the census bureau on the uninsured
If you were to make a huge assumption and said that every 'not a citizen' was an illegal it would still be short of 10-12 million, but then that would leave no room for all the other 'not a citizen' living in the United States from all the other countries in the world.
I'm not citing any article to prove anything other than the numbers I provided. It's true that there may be some reasons why someone making more than $75k is unable to get insurance, but I think it's clear that that's the exception that proves the rule.I addressed this also. While I agree that some can afford to buy health insurance, but for what ever reason refuse to do so. However the article made the sweeping assumption that everyone that made over X amount could afford insurance, without investigating as to the why. They may have been refused insurance because of a preexisting condition, they may have a child with an uninsurable condition, who knows. They made claims based on.....well really....nothing!
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.