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    Re: FACT CHECK: Health overhaul myths taking root

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Yes, I do.

    Do you have any proof that the 47 million uninsured don't actually count between 10 - 20 million illegal immingants?

    Or are you just being willfully obtuse?
    You are correct as best I can tell. Unfortunately, the sources I am finding are blogs and op/ed's, neither of which is entirely reliable. As best I can tell, to answer your original question, Obama got the number from an WSJ Op/ed, written by senior partners at Bain and Company. Quote from op/ed:

    Census Bureau data reveal that the uninsured are actually the kind of demographic that consumer product companies dream about. A surprising 85% of the nation's uninsured are currently employed and nearly all have worked in the past year (emphasis mine). They are young -- almost half are between the ages of 18 and 34 -- and nearly three-quarters of the uninsured describe their health as "excellent" or "very good." More than two-thirds have at least some college education and about half earn middle-class incomes.
    I have not found a direct link to the column, but I suspect that the candidates(Clinton used the same figure) got the figure from the column without looking in depth at the number.

    Source: http://trusted.md/feed/items/system/...insured_number

    Interestingly, and you might like this, it appears the 47 million number is in error: CNSNews.com - Obama Falsely Claims There Are 47 Million Uninsured Americans

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    Re: FACT CHECK: Health overhaul myths taking root

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Well then it would be nice if you posted it.
    I would but since it's pretty well accepted by those on both sides of the aisle, I see no point to you asking for it other than you like to be difficult.

    If you really aren't just being difficult, you could easily search for it.

    Edited to add: I see you searched for it. SO, I guess you really weren't just being difficult. My apologies.
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    Re: FACT CHECK: Health overhaul myths taking root

    Illegal aliens are a large problem in the health care system which isn't being resolved in the house bill by simply saying it doesn't cover them. If illegal aliens will receive treatment at emergency rooms as they are now this bill has no effect on their treatment, but simply provides a financial motivation to legitimize them. I think what New York (I think) is doing with criminal illegal aliens is appropriate here also. Treat them and put them on a plane home. I would include a persona non grata certificate making it criminally illegal for them to return.

    I have seen interviews with O where he states that "his plan", which I have to assume is at least contained in HR3200 since he has not published anything from the whitehouse, will result in a single payer system in 5-10 years. Lately he has been saying that that is not the case. Was he dishonest then or now.

    I still haven't received my AARP dues reimbursement. Can fact check send some SEIU or ACORN guys over to encourage them to send it to me?
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    Re: FACT CHECK: Health overhaul myths taking root

    People are going to flood into this country from all over the world to gobble up the free health care, because we all know that there's not going to be anyone verifying citizenship when they walk into the hospital.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: FACT CHECK: Health overhaul myths taking root

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    People are going to flood into this country from all over the world to gobble up the free health care, because we all know that there's not going to be anyone verifying citizenship when they walk into the hospital.
    And I always heard it was because of the jobs

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    Re: FACT CHECK: Health overhaul myths taking root

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    And I always heard it was because of the jobs
    The Liberals killed all the jobs, so that's not it anymore. PBO wants to tax us, so he can subsidize jobs on other countries.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: FACT CHECK: Health overhaul myths taking root

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Liberals killed all the jobs, so that's not it anymore. PBO wants to tax us, so he can subsidize jobs on other countries.
    I guess that is why GM is gearing up production

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    Re: FACT CHECK: Health overhaul myths taking root

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I guess that is why GM is gearing up production
    More than GM, but I don't think actual facts interest apdst much.

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    Re: FACT CHECK: Health overhaul myths taking root

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Got proof?
    I think it's closer to 10-12, but he's correct. There was a long thread a while back where I went through the whole thing, but the CNS article actually does a surprisingly good job of describing it.

    Of the 47 million people in the US without insurance, 10-12 million are illegals, 9 million are people who make $75k or more, and I believe there are another 10 million or so who have insurance available to them, whether through a government program or a family member, but who have not signed up for it.

    That means that there are approximately 18 million people who make less than $75k and who do not have public insurance available to them. Of those, I would argue that many (if not the majority) can afford insurance but either consciously choose not to or spend their money foolishly.

    That doesn't mean that it's not still an important issue, but it's important that all sides are coming from the same place.

    (It's also worth noting that I haven't seen much outcry about Obama using fear tactics and outright lies to scare the public into accepting his plan by claiming that there are 47 million americans without insurance.)
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    Re: FACT CHECK: Health overhaul myths taking root

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I think it's closer to 10-12, but he's correct. There was a long thread a while back where I went through the whole thing, but the CNS article actually does a surprisingly good job of describing it.
    This guy offers a fairly similar breakdown. His illegal count is lower, but really it's just an estimate. I do happen to think his his estimate is lower than it should be. Most of the other estimates I've seen are anywhere from 10 - 20 mil.

    He has some other interesting analysis of the health care debate, if you're at all interested. He appears to lean right, but seems to be attempting to stay fair.

    New Analysis of the Myth: “46 Million Americans Without Health Insurance” | Dr. Walt's Health Blog

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