No, it's absolutely a lie. Again, the fact that many people are sloppy or stupid with their terms does not change the fact that illegal immigrants (and non-citizens) are not "Americans." This is not debatable.It's not a lie when people commonly use the term Americans interchangeably with the term People that the census bureau uses in their reports. That's why I gave some examples of the way people use the term Americanswhen talking about people that include foreigners in other census reports.
Yes, I'm the one twisting numbers to support my political agenda.Clearly people are using the census report as the source for uninsured people in the United States, the fact that the term Americans is used interchangably with the census use of the term People is seized upon by some people to discount the number of uninsured people in this country to support their political agenda.
Again, the fact that many people are imprecise with their language doesn't change the fact that they're wrong.Do you think, when people are referring to the population of the United States say - We have a population of 280 million plus 20 million non-citizens.
I don't think so, but I have heard the population referred to many times as '300 million Americans'
What? No, my reasoning is that the census report likely underestimates the number of illegal immigrants in this country, as I clearly stated.The only reason I even acknowledged the illegal estimations was to show that they don't fit the census report. You cite 20 million. The census bureau's breakdown of the population of the United States include 21 million non-citizens.
So by your reasoning - that is that the census report includes the illegals - that would only leave 1 million legal immigrants from around world, from Asia, Europe, Africa, Latin America or North America living in the United States.
You're advocating for a "well, people call them americans so they must be Americans" approach at the same time that you're criticizing someone else for being lazy and sloppy?I don't doubt that you do stand by your assertions, that doesn't take away from lazy, sloppy articles written by someone (and referred to over and over) that just took figures from the census report and made a sweeping declaration, with out any type of investigation into why they are uninsured...
Certainly. I still don't see how that appreciably changes things.How many non-citizens are counted in both the non-citizen breakout and the above $50,000 breakout? Are some being brushed aside multiple times?
Really, it comes down to this: When Obama says "there are 47 million uninsured Americans," you're claiming that what he's actually saying and what people are actually hearing is "there are 47 million uninsured people in this country, and that number includes non-citizens such as illegal immigrants, but they're all considered Americans by all of us anyways."
I think that's a wholly unsupportable position.