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    Re: Ensign: I did nothing "legally" wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Why not re-write this and state that you don't mind a President who lacks in good judgment and has the behavior of a teenager.
    Get a grip. Clinton was not the first President with raging libido. Hell, Kennedy could barely keep his pants on and he had a wife who was legitimately hot.

    He was dumb to play in the Oval Office, he was dumb to give Monica a set of pearls, she was dumb not to clean the dress afterwards, but it's not like he accidentally pushed the button and launched a bunch of nukes at Russia or something. I give him more grief for lying about it than for doing it, because that was the really dumb thing he did.

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    Re: Ensign: I did nothing "legally" wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Get a grip. .....but it's not like he accidentally pushed the button and launched a bunch of nukes at Russia or something.
    But he also perhaps cost the lives of 3,000 Americans through his dereliction to duty.

    Lack of good judgment leads to many things that are perhaps not as obvious as launching nukes at Russia as your dramatic attempt to deflect the issue suggests, but it does lead to a loss of prestige and perhaps even the loss of countless lives.

    The list of Clinton's failures is long; Somalia, Al Qaeda, Granada and Bosnia come to mind right off the top of my head; all examples of the use of POOR judgment.

    Carry on.

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    Re: Ensign: I did nothing "legally" wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    But he also perhaps cost the lives of 3,000 Americans through his dereliction to duty.
    Unless you want to argue that he made those bad decisions while Monica was going down on him, that really isn't relevant to the discussion, now is it?

    I'm happy to go on at length about the dumb things he did and the lives those dumb things cost--but getting his knob polished by Monica just isn't at the top of that list.

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    Re: Ensign: I did nothing "legally" wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So his whole "is is" speach was not a holier than thow attitude?
    I would say no. It certainly, once again speaks to his ethics and morals, but I don't see how you could classify it as a "Holier than thou" attitude. If Clinton had been holding himself out as an example of virtue, perhaps, but I never saw that from him.
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    Re: Ensign: I did nothing "legally" wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    In terms of hypocrisy - no. Clinton didn't preach a "holier than thou" attitude.
    In terms of sexual behavior -- no, he didn't. (And who wouldn't have laughed out loud if he tried?)

    But on many, many other things, yes, he did.

    And he WAS one who pledged "the most ethical Administration in history." Boinking the interns and then lying straight to the American people about it doesn't really fall under that, does it?

    Yeah, legal. But he pledged "ethical." And not just, but "MOST ethical."

    Then, of course, add in all the other stuff, including lying under oath . . .
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    Re: Ensign: I did nothing "legally" wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    I give him more grief for lying about it than for doing it, because that was the really dumb thing he did.
    Agreed. Now should it have really come to that???

    Absolutely not.

    It was a partisan witch hunt from the beginning and a huge waste of taxpayer money.
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    Re: Ensign: I did nothing "legally" wrong

    Myself, being a Social Conservative, I want to see the Party as well as the voters reject this guy. If someone can't keep their marriage vows, can't keep their mitts of of a supposed friend's wife, and can then stand to show his face in public, I say he cannot be trusted with political power.
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    Re: Ensign: I did nothing "legally" wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Agreed. Now should it have really come to that???

    Absolutely not.

    It was a partisan witch hunt from the beginning and a huge waste of taxpayer money.
    Arguable.

    So you're in favor of Professors sleeping with their students, bosses sleeping with their subordinates, doctors sleeping with their patients, lawyers diddling their clients? You think these are all accusations that the various agencies and boards overseeing these various things should not look into when its accused of happening?

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    Re: Ensign: I did nothing "legally" wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I hope his constituents vote him out. I'm conflicted on whether he should step down. There are slight differences to this and Clinton.

    My issue with Clinton was not the affair, but the fact it was a subordinant. I consider this much like a CEO in a company using his position to sleep with secretary. Its professionally inappropriate and a conflict of interests. If a CEO of a company screws around with a mistress I think that's bad image wise for the company, but I wouldn't be calling for the CEO's resignation. If the CEO was banging away on his secretary during work hours in his office, then I would be.

    Similarly, in Clinton's case, it was with a subordinant employee in his position as the President, in his office, during work hours. If he was just banging out Monica, the chick from Starbucks, I'd have been disappointed in our President but not calling out for resignation or investigation.

    That bothered me, greatly. He's was getting a blowjob on Tax Payer dime.

    I was going to say that was different than Ensign and thus I don't mind him not resigning, since the OP just said it was a friend of his wife. However, it appears it was a campaign staffer. This conflicts things for me a bit. In this case, it is a subordinate to him. However, it is one that is not under him in some form in his capacity as Senator. So that situation gets tricky.

    But I guess that is me trying to explain why the Clinton thing is "different" in my eyes than some of the others that have happened. Its partially due to years of being in an organization where those at the top have a good bit of sway and power over those under them, either forcefully or just out of respect, and how important it has been ingrained in us that you do not take advantage of that. I don't care if he's dipping his Slick Willie into a warmer location (Seriously, look and listen to Hillary, its hard to blame him)...I have issues with him doing it in the office of the President with a woman that is his subordinant that is there due to a opening serving on behalf of the American people. I feel the same way if a Republican senator or Governor did it with an employee of the state under them (for example, foley's thing with a page...I have issue with that, because that page is technially a subordinant of him in his capacity as a congressman)
    That was a lot of words for very little profit.... Clinton was wrong for getting a blow job from an intern, he was guilty of a felony when he lied about it under oath.... simple as that.

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    Re: Ensign: I did nothing "legally" wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Arguable.

    So you're in favor of Professors sleeping with their students, bosses sleeping with their subordinates, doctors sleeping with their patients, lawyers diddling their clients? You think these are all accusations that the various agencies and boards overseeing these various things should not look into when its accused of happening?
    Its between the individual consenting adults
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