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Thread: Texas Judge Goes to Trial Over Execution

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    Re: Texas Judge Goes to Trial Over Execution

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    No, it was not even remotely close to murder.

    The SC granting cert in one particular DP case does not automatically cause a stay in all other cases. You have to file papers applying for a stay. These are simple, simple, simple papers. The convict's attorneys had at least 6 hours to put those together and hand them in.

    Furthermore, because the SC was only reviewing lethal injection, they could have taken him out back and fried him and he would have had no grounds to complain.

    Furthermore, the decision eventually upheld the lethal injection, 7-2. That means that even if this guy had had his stay, he would have been done for anyways.

    They did not deny him counsel or due process.
    At least some here get it. I am curious why there is such a desperate effort by some to divine legal rights where none have been denied.


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    Re: Texas Judge Goes to Trial Over Execution

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I see that you find the FACTS in this case elusive. Go back and read the case and the links. As RightinNY stated, there was no effort to deny this thug his day in court. This is a pathetic effort to divine some legal right that was never denied.

    How fascinating it is to watch your further descent into mindless trolling.

    I think you need to check yourself with a quickness. No one trolled you but you certainly found it in yourself to default to the most boorish and e-thuggish tone you could muster, as is your M.O.

    You project on other people a bit too much.

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    Re: Texas Judge Goes to Trial Over Execution

    I read about this case in the Sunday Observer Newspaper.

    I will trust in the American legal system to dispense a fair verdict.

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    Re: Texas Judge Goes to Trial Over Execution

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I think you need to check yourself with a quickness. No one trolled you but you certainly found it in yourself to default to the most boorish and e-thuggish tone you could muster, as is your M.O.

    You project on other people a bit too much.
    Oh yeah, ohkay. Carry on dude.

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    Re: Texas Judge Goes to Trial Over Execution

    Quote Originally Posted by B L Zeebub View Post
    I read about this case in the Sunday Observer Newspaper.

    I will trust in the American legal system to dispense a fair verdict
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    I dunna know there are a lot of people that were once on death row that aren't now:

    Offenders No Longer on Death Row

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    Re: Texas Judge Goes to Trial Over Execution

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I dunna know there are a lot of people that were once on death row that aren't now:

    Offenders No Longer on Death Row
    Yup. We have the Houston PD Crime Lab to thank for a lot of that, too.

    Trust must be earned. I think the Texas legal system needs to re-earn it.

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    Re: Texas Judge Goes to Trial Over Execution

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Furthermore, the decision eventually upheld the lethal injection, 7-2. That means that even if this guy had had his stay, he would have been done for anyways.
    True, but what if the decision had gone the other way? The appellate judge didn't know that would have happened at the time of her actions.

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    Re: Texas Judge Goes to Trial Over Execution

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Yup. We have the Houston PD Crime Lab to thank for a lot of that, too.

    Trust must be earned. I think the Texas legal system needs to re-earn it.
    We also had the fake cocaine scandal here in Dallas. It just doesn't exactly build confidence in the system.

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    Re: Texas Judge Goes to Trial Over Execution

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    True, but what if the decision had gone the other way? The appellate judge didn't know that would have happened at the time of her actions.
    First, it's still not her problem - it's the attorney's responsibility to do their job.

    Second, the fact that it turned out that way means that there's not really a due process issue - due process is results-oriented.
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    Re: Texas Judge Goes to Trial Over Execution

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The SC granting cert in one particular DP case does not automatically cause a stay in all other cases.
    It signifies their intent to review the matter and possibly rule it unconstitutional.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC
    You have to file papers applying for a stay. These are simple, simple, simple papers. The convict's attorneys had at least 6 hours to put those together and hand them in.
    Six hours is hardly a long time...especially when the defense attorneys were operating under the perfectly reasonable assumption that they had LONGER than 5pm to file the papers and no one had told them otherwise.

    Furthermore, you do not execute someone because his lawyers flubbed some minor procedural detail.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC
    Furthermore, because the SC was only reviewing lethal injection, they could have taken him out back and fried him and he would have had no grounds to complain.
    Come on, you're a lawyer and this is the best argument you have? They DIDN'T "take him out back and fry him." They executed him by lethal injection, just like all other Texas death row inmates.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC
    Furthermore, the decision eventually upheld the lethal injection, 7-2. That means that even if this guy had had his stay, he would have been done for anyways.
    Irrelevant to the obvious judicial misconduct. If the judge had walked into his cell and shot him point-blank in the head while he was awaiting trial, it wouldn't have changed the outcome. But certainly you would agree she should be punished for that?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC
    They did not deny him counsel or due process.
    Clearly they did. The normal custom was for the court to remain open late on nights when a prisoner was to be executed. The defense counsel was never told otherwise, and was operating under that assumption. The judge's actions were really no different than closing even EARLIER than the scheduled time.
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