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    Re: "It's a War": Mexico Under Siege

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    I'm sure if we spent 100% of the federal budget on the drug war we could win it (as long as we kept doing that).
    Neverending war is a poor definition of victory, and an apt definition of defeat.

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    Re: "It's a War": Mexico Under Siege

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The problem with this is that it will no longer be legal to screen job applicants for crack cocaine. Your child's teacher might be on heroin, and there'll be nothing you can do about it. The president of the U.S. might be a former narcotics distributor.

    No thank you.
    You made an illogical leap. Employers could test for any drug they chose. So could the government. And guess what? Your child's teacher might be on heroin now. Unless you think the fact it's illegal means one cannot get it. But we all know that's not true.
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    Re: "It's a War": Mexico Under Siege

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Neverending war is a poor definition of victory, and an apt definition of defeat.
    I don't disagree. But folks would not be on drugs. And to some that's the goal. And it's the only way they are going to get there. The country may crumble under Big Brother's boot, but no one will be high when it happens. My example was merely to illustrate the futility of the anti-legalization argument. Yes, you CAN win. Are you willing to pay the price for "winning"?
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    Re: "It's a War": Mexico Under Siege

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is a good reason why I hate the term "war on drugs". It then leads to a logical question: how do you win the war? That is a problem since it is unwinable, and that is not a realistic goal. The goal should be(and I believe actually is) to reduce drug use and drug trafficking as much as possible.
    And exactly how well has that worked over the last 30 years?

    How well did the 18th amendment work out, how much did it cost, how long before it was repealed, and how much in revenue does the US government get from taxes on alcohol each year?

    These are the questions you should be asking yourself, not how do you change the unchangeable.

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    Re: "It's a War": Mexico Under Siege

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The problem with this is that it will no longer be legal to screen job applicants for crack cocaine. Your child's teacher might be on heroin, and there'll be nothing you can do about it. The president of the U.S. might be a former narcotics distributor.

    No thank you.
    Entirely untrue... No one could force employers to hire a person that tested positive for drugs if the employer didn't want to hire them. this is still almost a free country.

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    Re: "It's a War": Mexico Under Siege

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    And exactly how well has that worked over the last 30 years?

    How well did the 18th amendment work out, how much did it cost, how long before it was repealed, and how much in revenue does the US government get from taxes on alcohol each year?

    These are the questions you should be asking yourself, not how do you change the unchangeable.
    For your first question, it is unknown as there is no control to measure against.

    For your second, it did not work out, but the both the world, and the situation, are somewhat different so you can draw no sure conclusions based on it.

    Now I have a question for you. What do you figure the odds are that you could get drugs legalized in this country?

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    Re: "It's a War": Mexico Under Siege

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    For your first question, it is unknown as there is no control to measure against.

    For your second, it did not work out, but the both the world, and the situation, are somewhat different so you can draw no sure conclusions based on it.

    Now I have a question for you. What do you figure the odds are that you could get drugs legalized in this country?
    Right at this moment?.... somewhere between 0% and none.

    If the war in Mexico crosses the border?.... somewhere between 0% and 50%.

    If alot of people get killed in border states?.... somewhere around 100%.

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    Re: "It's a War": Mexico Under Siege

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Right at this moment?.... somewhere between 0% and none.

    If the war in Mexico crosses the border?.... somewhere between 0% and 50%.

    If alot of people get killed in border states?.... somewhere around 100%.
    There are a fair number of deaths to this drug war in the border states. By the way, the whole point I have been making is that legalizing drugs is not likely to happen, so it's best to look at other solutions.

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    Re: "It's a War": Mexico Under Siege

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Neverending war is a poor definition of victory, and an apt definition of defeat.
    For the love of my Marines, please tell Bobo.
    I came into this world fighting, screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I have no problem going out the same way.

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    Re: "It's a War": Mexico Under Siege

    We could legalize all the drugs you want, but as along as drugs are illegal in Mexico, it wouldn't have any effect on the cartels. What are the cartels going to do? Start paying taxes? I seriously doubt that. The cartelistas aren't afrid to kill, torture, die, or go to prison in the interest of their drug business, why should they suddenly be skeered of dodging a few taxes?
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