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    Re: "It's a War": Mexico Under Siege

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is a good reason why I hate the term "war on drugs". It then leads to a logical question: how do you win the war? That is a problem since it is unwinable, and that is not a realistic goal. The goal should be(and I believe actually is) to reduce drug use and drug trafficking as much as possible.
    The problem is that we are not even coming close to realizing that goal.

    If you want to reduce drug trafficking legalize drugs.

    If you want to decrease usage, treat the problem instead of exacerbating the problem with legal repercussions.

    Why does it make sense to keep control of dangerous substances in the hand of dangerous unscrupulous people?

    IF we want to control drug use, then we should not be relinquishing control of drugs to criminals.

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    Re: "It's a War": Mexico Under Siege

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Sustaining the black market for drugs which funds the narcotrafficantes is an intelligent thing to do?

    If you want less of something, you tax it, you don't ban it. Legalize drugs and put some decent sin taxes on them. Less drug use, more government revenue, and less money for drug cartels. That's a win-win-win scenario.

    As long as we make drugs illegal, there will be people attempting to supply drug users illegally. Prohibition has never worked.
    The problem with this is that it will no longer be legal to screen job applicants for crack cocaine. Your child's teacher might be on heroin, and there'll be nothing you can do about it. The president of the U.S. might be a former narcotics distributor.

    No thank you.

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    Re: "It's a War": Mexico Under Siege

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The problem with this is that it will no longer be legal to screen job applicants for crack cocaine. Your child's teacher might be on heroin, and there'll be nothing you can do about it. The president of the U.S. might be a former narcotics distributor.

    No thank you.
    Truck Drivers get screened for alcohol which is legal. And I think some companies will not hire drivers with a bad record.

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    Re: "It's a War": Mexico Under Siege

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    The problem is that we are not even coming close to realizing that goal.

    If you want to reduce drug trafficking legalize drugs.

    If you want to decrease usage, treat the problem instead of exacerbating the problem with legal repercussions.

    Why does it make sense to keep control of dangerous substances in the hand of dangerous unscrupulous people?

    IF we want to control drug use, then we should not be relinquishing control of drugs to criminals.
    And again, this country is not even close to legalizing any drugs soon. It is possible that weed might be legalized in my lifetime, but I doubt it, and it won't be for at least 10 to 20 years from now.

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    Re: "It's a War": Mexico Under Siege

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The problem with this is that it will no longer be legal to screen job applicants for crack cocaine. Your child's teacher might be on heroin, and there'll be nothing you can do about it. The president of the U.S. might be a former narcotics distributor.

    No thank you.
    What they do outside of their work is their business; however employers can and do reserve the right to demanding that people are not intoxicated at their workplaces.

    Your child teacher might be drunk, if that teacher gets caught she gets fired.. quite simple. If that teacher goes home after school, and has a cocktail, no big deal.

    red herring

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    Re: "It's a War": Mexico Under Siege

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    What they do outside of their work is their business; however employers can and do reserve the right to demanding that people are not intoxicated at their workplaces.

    Your child teacher might be drunk, if that teacher gets caught she gets fired.. quite simple. If that teacher goes home after school, and has a cocktail, no big deal.

    red herring
    And teachers have go through a beckground check.

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    Re: "It's a War": Mexico Under Siege

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And again, this country is not even close to legalizing any drugs soon. It is possible that weed might be legalized in my lifetime, but I doubt it, and it won't be for at least 10 to 20 years from now.
    Yeah we are tied due to the single convention and the two follow up intl. drug treaties on a national level. treaties that WE forced down everyone's throat (especially marijuana's ridiculous scheduling which we insisted upon).

    There is a demand from some countries to revisit these treaties; however it falls on deaf ears here in the states.

    We can decriminalize; however we cannot legalize; and there is still one major problem with decriminalization, control of the supply still remains in the wrong hands.

    There is one loophole which would bypass these treaties.. constitutional amendment. If we start getting states legalizing it and it works out favorably, then public opinion will continue to sway, and this is not such an unrealistic occurrence.
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    Re: "It's a War": Mexico Under Siege

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The problem with this is that it will no longer be legal to screen job applicants for crack cocaine. Your child's teacher might be on heroin, and there'll be nothing you can do about it. The president of the U.S. might be a former narcotics distributor.

    No thank you.
    Hogwash. Employers always have the right to establish policies for the work place. Teachers can't smoke in classrooms and tobacco is perfectly legal. Teachers can't be drunk in classrooms (or have alcohol on premise) and alcohol is perfectly legal.

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    Re: "It's a War": Mexico Under Siege

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    There is no historical precedent to sustain that argument. Criminalization of vice historically does essentially nothing to reduce the appetite for vice.

    I agree. My point was merely that if the richest country in the world turned a massive amount of resources toward a single problem we could solve it. Including the drug war. There is no historical precedent for anything until it's done! After all no one ever went to the moon until we landed on it. I'm sure if we spent 100% of the federal budget on the drug war we could win it (as long as we kept doing that). Because for that amount of money the appetite for drugs would be trumped by the fact there is hardly any supply and the Gestapo is watching your every move. Given that we cannot do that we cannot win the drug war. It's pointless.
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    Re: "It's a War": Mexico Under Siege

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    We'd also have to toss out the constitution.
    Yep, pretty much. But whatever it takes, eh? It's a war after all.
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