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    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Realistically, it's simply not going to happen any time soon. That is a pie in the sky type solution.
    Realistically, it's the only solution that will put the drug cartels out of business.

    La Familia took root in the Michoacan (sp?) state after Calderon began his narco-war. For every cartel Calderon takes out another is going to take its place. The longer this narco-war continues, the weaker Calderon becomes.

    The "War on Drugs" has been around since the 1970s--over 30 years. It is no closer to being won than in the 1970s--strongly suggesting that it can't be won. If it can't be won, here or in Mexico, the rational thing is to end it.

    It may not be a politically palatable solution, but it is, I suspect, the inevitable one. It is the only solution left--or soon will be.

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    Re: "It's a War": Mexico Under Siege

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Realistically, it's simply not going to happen any time soon. That is a pie in the sky type solution.
    True. But like usual it's the one that will work best. We are not sending American troops or police into Mexico. Over a long period of time that might work, but it's going to happen given the lack of troops, the shortage of police and the fact Mexico simply won't go for it. The problem is that we are the largest illegal drug market on Earth, while also having some of the stiffest penalities outside Asia and the Middle East. Which makes drug's VERY profitable, leading to what we see in Mexico. It's frankly Econ 101.
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    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Realistically, it's the only solution that will put the drug cartels out of business.

    La Familia took root in the Michoacan (sp?) state after Calderon began his narco-war. For every cartel Calderon takes out another is going to take its place. The longer this narco-war continues, the weaker Calderon becomes.

    The "War on Drugs" has been around since the 1970s--over 30 years. It is no closer to being won than in the 1970s--strongly suggesting that it can't be won. If it can't be won, here or in Mexico, the rational thing is to end it.

    It may not be a politically palatable solution, but it is, I suspect, the inevitable one. It is the only solution left--or soon will be.
    I think the drug war COULD be won. But it would take a level of resources we simply don't have. Otherwise, hell no. It's been a total failure for 30+ years and will remain one. It costs us billions, floods our jails and stresses the legal system and yet drugs are still readily available. It's been one of the biggest governmental failures ever. So, of course, we keep doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    I think the drug war COULD be won. .
    Yeah if had a Gestapo like secret police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Yeah if had a Gestapo like secret police.
    Among other things. If we threw massive resources at the problem, resources we don't even have, we could start to win it. But we would need to keep it up forever, too. It's really not worth it just to keep people from smoking weed or snorting a line of coke.
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    Re: "It's a War": Mexico Under Siege

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    Among other things. If we threw massive resources at the problem, resources we don't even have, we could start to win it. But we would need to keep it up forever, too. It's really not worth it just to keep people from smoking weed or snorting a line of coke.
    I haven't seen the numbers lately, but iirc, drug lords have more resources allocated to selling drugs than the US has to spend fighting illicit drug sales.
    Ironically, both are mostly funded by US citizens.
    I may be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    I think the drug war COULD be won.
    There is no historical precedent to sustain that argument. Criminalization of vice historically does essentially nothing to reduce the appetite for vice.

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    Re: "It's a War": Mexico Under Siege

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    Among other things. If we threw massive resources at the problem, resources we don't even have, we could start to win it. But we would need to keep it up forever, too. It's really not worth it just to keep people from smoking weed or snorting a line of coke.
    We'd also have to toss out the constitution.

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    Re: "It's a War": Mexico Under Siege

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Realistically, it's the only solution that will put the drug cartels out of business.

    La Familia took root in the Michoacan (sp?) state after Calderon began his narco-war. For every cartel Calderon takes out another is going to take its place. The longer this narco-war continues, the weaker Calderon becomes.

    The "War on Drugs" has been around since the 1970s--over 30 years. It is no closer to being won than in the 1970s--strongly suggesting that it can't be won. If it can't be won, here or in Mexico, the rational thing is to end it.

    It may not be a politically palatable solution, but it is, I suspect, the inevitable one. It is the only solution left--or soon will be.
    That is a good reason why I hate the term "war on drugs". It then leads to a logical question: how do you win the war? That is a problem since it is unwinable, and that is not a realistic goal. The goal should be(and I believe actually is) to reduce drug use and drug trafficking as much as possible.

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