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Series of Blasts in Baghdad Kill 58, Injure 300

Tucker Case said:
So Al Qaeda kills a bunch of people and we've got someone here who seems to be rooting for them simply because the targets where muslim.

Bravo.
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you mean me. Why don't you just say so. I don't mind.

NO! I am not rooting for them. I just don't care if they kill off each other. I would like to see a peaceful, democratic and secular Iraq but so long as they say they are a muslim pos country and all other religions not apply......I don't really care.
 
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a777pilot said:
If you are NOT of the so called muslim pos religion may I suggest you move to Afghanistan and lets see how you fare. We still have laws here that at least try to protect life. There, not so much.

Good luck.
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What does that have to do with ALL Muslims. I suspect 99% of the people in Afghanistan would do nothing to me, either.
 
a777pilot said:
you mean me. Why don't you just say so. I don't mind.

NO! I am not rooting for them. I just don't care if they kill off each other. I would like to see a peaceful, democratic and secular Iraq but so long as they say they are a muslim pos country and all other religions not apply......I don't really care.
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So when Al Queda kills non-extremist, democratic Iraqis, you don't care? Why is that?
 
I've stated my opinion on this topic.

You all are going to believe what you want to believe. Facts be damned. That's OK. It's the American way.
 
a777pilot said:
I've stated my opinion on this topic.

You all are going to believe what you want to believe. Facts be damned. That's OK. It's the American way.
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Ahhh, yeah. Facts like "all Muslims want to kill us". It's the same as them saying all Americans want Muslims dead because the Army has killed some.
 
a777pilot said:
I've stated my opinion on this topic.

You all are going to believe what you want to believe. Facts be damned. That's OK. It's the American way.
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What are the facts?

Muslim extremists killed muslim non-extremists. You Said all muslims are pos and that because of that, you don't care if they die. So are you saying that you are OK with Al Qaeda killing muslims simply because they are muslims?
 
a777pilot said:
I agree. Let's get out of Afghanistan while we still can!
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Afghanistan has directly been our problem. Iraq has not. There was cause way back in the day for going into Afghanistan. It's just very unfortunate that instead of finishing off the job, we got sidetracked into Iraq.
 
apdst said:
Well, that's all fine and good and irrelevant. The fact is, the mess has been created. Making it worse, isn't the answer.
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Exactly. Staying in an occupational war is not going to make it better, it will only proliferate the problems of the area. Instead, we should understand that our actions have consequences and that we should shape our actions by the consequences which they will draw. The mess created has no solution, the only solution is the proper one in which states that the freedom and liberty of a people is due and controlled solely by those people. If they want it, they have to fight. We can't fight for them and deliver to them a Western style democracy. They have got to want that from the start in order for something like that to work. And we need to realize that the current "war" against the Iraqi people is a failure and cannot result in anything positive. Instead we should learn from our mistakes against the sovereignty of others and regulate ourselves to only offenses which threaten the sovereignty of the United States.
 
Iraq has to appear to be a defeat for America so the Libbos can blame it one Bush and bitch for the next forty years about how we lost the war in Iraq, just like they've done with Vietnam. If the war was considered a victory, the Libbos couldn't use it as an example why we shouldn't get into the next war and if we did get into the next war they couldn't use it as an example of how we're going to lose anyway, so we might as well give up now. They'll never admit that it was their side that gave the whole show away.
 
apdst said:
Iraq has to appear to be a defeat for America so the Libbos can blame it one Bush and bitch for the next forty years about how we lost the war in Iraq, just like they've done with Vietnam. If the war was considered a victory, the Libbos couldn't use it as an example why we shouldn't get into the next war and if we did get into the next war they couldn't use it as an example of how we're going to lose anyway, so we might as well give up now. They'll never admit that it was their side that gave the whole show away.
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I blame Clinton, Bush, and Obama as all have thus far proven themselves horrible failures.
 
apdst said:
Iraq has to appear to be a defeat for America so the Libbos can blame it one Bush and bitch for the next forty years about how we lost the war in Iraq, just like they've done with Vietnam. If the war was considered a victory, the Libbos couldn't use it as an example why we shouldn't get into the next war and if we did get into the next war they couldn't use it as an example of how we're going to lose anyway, so we might as well give up now. They'll never admit that it was their side that gave the whole show away.
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.....yeah...I'm pretty sure I'd still have problem with sacrificing 4,000 soldiers for non-existent WMDs and a 3rd rate dictator with less firepower then some of my wife's relatives regardless of the war's outcome. Have you not been following the last 6 years of liberalism? Here, I'll explain to you some of the reasons as to why we're opposed to the war :

1. It was started over information which was inflated and false pretenses. Regardless of who agreed or disagreed with them.
2. Because of these false pretenses 4,000+ American soldiers died needlessly.
3. We've come out worse then before. Iraq is still a ****hole. The Iraqis still aren't ready to support themselves or even care enough to do so.

The war being a complete failure is pretty much one of the last reasons Liberals are opposed to it.
 
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bub said:
Yes and the people of that culture have never had prior experience with a real democracy so it's not gonna work

+ the people of this place are divided, so it's not gonna work neither

+ the people of that place rely upon oil, they do not have any middle class, so it's not gonna work

Sorry but the logic that "people cannot be forced into a democracy." Is complete and utter bull**** that has been disproven. Japan during the 1940's believed that their emperor was a God. You know what that is called? A Theocracy. We beat the **** out of them, and than placed soldiers and our IDEALS on that society and guess what Bub? What are they now... oh wait.. that's called a democracy, completely due to us. So yes, you can, and we have, forced democracy on a people, and I think the Japanese would agree with that. Now we can argue back and forth on "Should people force democracy on people?" But that's another discussion entirely.
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Hatuey said:
.....yeah...I'm pretty sure I'd still have problem with sacrificing 4,000 soldiers for non-existent WMDs and a 3rd rate dictator with less firepower then some of my wife's relatives regardless of the war's outcome. But hey, whatever makes you feel better at night.
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Please, spare me the sob story. I buried six close friends since 2003.

I never claimed, as you erroneously are suggesting, that going to Iraq was a great idea. However, for once, let's have a good finish and avoid tarnishing the honor of the men that served in the war.
 
Hatuey said:
1. It was started over information which was inflated and false pretenses. Regardless of who agreed or disagreed with them.
2. Because of these false pretenses 4,000+ American soldiers died needlessly.
3. We've come out worse then before. Iraq is still a ****hole. The Iraqis still aren't ready to support themselves or even care enough to do so.

The war being a complete failure is pretty much one of the last reasons Liberals are opposed to it.
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Then, it's probably a good idea to remain in place until Iraq is self sufficient.

Can't do that, can we? Couldn't declare defeat if there was actually a happy ending.
 
apdst said:
Then, it's probably a good idea to remain in place until Iraq is self sufficient.

Can't do that, can we? Couldn't declare defeat if there was actually a happy ending.
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Ummm no. Because it would still have been a waste of American life and effort. It's like remaining in an abusive relationship because the other person has to change sometime.

Please, spare me the sob story. I buried six close friends since 2003.
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Funny how you tell us to spare you a sob story by bring up your own. What do you want? A cookie? Your inconsistencies are showing.

I never claimed, as you erroneously are suggesting, that going to Iraq was a great idea.
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Great. Because it wasn't. It was probably the biggest mistake the U.S. has ever made. I mean as a group. We ****ed up. This wasn't like one group of Americans messing up. It was the entire country regardless of who was in power.

However, for once, let's have a good finish and avoid tarnishing the honor of the men that served in the war.
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Please, spare me the sob story.
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;)
 
Hatuey said:
Ummm no. Because it would still have been a waste of American life and effort. It's like remaining in an abusive relationship because the other person has to change sometime.



Funny how you tell us to spare you a sob story by bring up your own. What do you want? A cookie? Your inconsistencies are showing.



Great. Because it wasn't. It was probably the biggest mistake the U.S. has ever made. I mean as a group. We ****ed up. This wasn't like one group of Americans messing up. It was the entire country regardless of who was in power.





;)
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So, it really is all about being able to say that we lost. Right? Thanks for clarifying. Your welcome and thanks for your support.
 
apdst said:
So, it really is all about being able to say that we lost. Right? Thanks for clarifying. Your welcome and thanks for your support.
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Do you even bother to think about how some of your comments make you look? His words clearly did not mean what you say, any one who reads this thread will be able to see this. It only makes you and any point you might try and make look bad.
 
Redress said:
Do you even bother to think about how some of your comments make you look? His words clearly did not mean what you say, any one who reads this thread will be able to see this. It only makes you and any point you might try and make look bad.
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I think the meanings are perfectly clear. Anytime someone says that an American soldier has died in vain, it's obvious what the point is.
 
apdst said:
So, it really is all about being able to say that we lost. Right? Thanks for clarifying. Your welcome and thanks for your support.
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apdst said:
I think the meanings are perfectly clear. Anytime someone says that an American soldier has died in vain, it's obvious what the point is.
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It's fun to watch you try and twist my words. But here :

Yes. The war in Iraq wasn't worth it and 4,000 Americans died in vain defending a bunch of 6th century savages that don't care about their country enough to defend it. Do you have ANY other stupid questions? Now what? Are you going to tell me a sob story or wave a flag in my face? I recommend you buy one made in America. When you have anything worth addressing that doesn't involve the very sentimentality you told us to spare you of. Please, by all means. Come back. Till then. Toodles.
 
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Hatuey said:
It's fun to watch you try and twist my words. But here :

Yes. The war in Iraq wasn't worth it and 4,000 Americans died in vain. Do you have ANY other stupid questions? Now are you going to tell me a sob story or wave a flag in my face? I recommend you buy one made in America.
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It's no worse than you twisting my words, trying to say that I supported the invasion of Iraq. Don't act stupid and you won't look stupid. I guess your pard Redress is going to come in and cover for you, now.
 
apdst said:
It's no worse than you twisting my words, trying to say that I supported the invasion of Iraq. Don't act stupid and you won't look stupid. I guess your pard Redress is going to come in and cover for you, now.
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Wow. You're a bold faced liar. Here's the post you're talking about :

Hatuey said:
.....yeah...I'm pretty sure I'd still have problem with sacrificing 4,000 soldiers for non-existent WMDs and a 3rd rate dictator with less firepower then some of my wife's relatives regardless of the war's outcome. But hey, whatever makes you feel better at night.
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Where did I say you supported the invasion? The stawman is strong within you.
 
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apdst said:
I think the meanings are perfectly clear. Anytime someone says that an American soldier has died in vain, it's obvious what the point is.
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Any time our soldiers die in a war that we should not have been fighting it is, if not dying in vain, certainly a waste of their sacrifice.
 
Well, here's your actual post, where you feel the need to explain to me why you think the war is wrong, so therefore, you must have thought that I thought the invasion was the neatest thing sliced bread. Next time, post the whole thing

.....yeah...I'm pretty sure I'd still have problem with sacrificing 4,000 soldiers for non-existent WMDs and a 3rd rate dictator with less firepower then some of my wife's relatives regardless of the war's outcome. Have you not been following the last 6 years of liberalism? Here, I'll explain to you some of the reasons as to why we're opposed to the war :

1. It was started over information which was inflated and false pretenses. Regardless of who agreed or disagreed with them.
2. Because of these false pretenses 4,000+ American soldiers died needlessly.
3. We've come out worse then before. Iraq is still a ****hole. The Iraqis still aren't ready to support themselves or even care enough to do so.

The war being a complete failure is pretty much one of the last reasons Liberals are opposed to it.
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Redress said:
Any time our soldiers die in a war that we should not have been fighting it is, if not dying in vain, certainly a waste of their sacrifice.
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Colonel Hal Moore said it best,

"But in the end, they fought not for their country or their flag, the fought for each other".

It's a sad commentary when people in this country, especially former service members don't understand that.
 
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