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    Democrats Seem Set to Go Alone on a Health Bill

    DRUDGE REPORT 2009®

    According to the Drudge Headline, the Dem's are gonna use their majority and push some sort of healthcare through, without Bi-Partisan input.

    Waiting to see what comes up next. They do this, and 2010 will be 1994 all over again.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/19/he...gewanted=print
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    Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Waiting to see what comes up next. They do this, and 2010 will be 1994 all over again.
    Providing the currency doesnt collapse by then.
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    Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Providing the currency doesnt collapse by then.
    No, then it'll be 1994 to the Nth degree.

    (Before any of you read anything into that, NO, I DO NOT WANT THE DOLLAR TO COLLAPSE.)
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    Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    DRUDGE REPORT 2009®

    According to the Drudge Headline, the Dem's are gonna use their majority and push some sort of healthcare through, without Bi-Partisan input.

    Waiting to see what comes up next. They do this, and 2010 will be 1994 all over again.
    If they fail, it will be 1994 again. It you remember, 1994 happened after the Democrats failed, not after they passed something.

    So long as they pass a bill with co-ops or just anything other than something with an expressly defined public option in it, everyone other than the right wingers will have forgotten about this by the elections in 2010. The 2010 elections will be more about the economy than anything else.
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    Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    If they fail, it will be 1994 again. It you remember, 1994 happened after the Democrats failed, not after they passed something.

    So long as they pass a bill with co-ops or just anything other than something with an expressly defined public option in it, everyone other than the right wingers will have forgotten about this by the elections in 2010. The 2010 elections will be more about the economy than anything else.
    Really? You think 1994 was a GOP Success.. because the Dem's FAILED to pass "Hillarycare"? REALLY?
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    Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Really? You think 1994 was a GOP Success.. because the Dem's FAILED to pass "Hillarycare"? REALLY?
    It was a GOP success because the Democrats failed at their healthcare reform attempts and because there were a large number of scandals affecting congressional Democrats at the time.

    Your chances of taking back congress next year are next to nothing and even worse than that if you don't allow moderates into the party. You guys are in this echo chamber and you don't realize how far outside the mainstream you are.

    The GOP will probably pick up between 10 and 20 seats next year in the House.
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    Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    It was a GOP success because the Democrats failed at their healthcare reform attempts and because there were a large number of scandals affecting congressional Democrats at the time.

    Your chances of taking back congress next year are next to nothing and even worse than that if you don't allow moderates into the party. You guys are in this echo chamber and you don't realize how far outside the mainstream you are.

    The GOP will probably pick up between 10 and 20 seats next year in the House.
    Wanna put some money on that? Say a friendly $5 dollar wager, if IF the dem's pass "healthcare reform" I'll bet those lose 21+ seats. If they do, you owe me. If they do not, I'll send you a fiver.
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    Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    DRUDGE REPORT 2009®

    According to the Drudge Headline, the Dem's are gonna use their majority and push some sort of healthcare through, without Bi-Partisan input.

    Waiting to see what comes up next. They do this, and 2010 will be 1994 all over again.
    or 1770....

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    Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Really? You think 1994 was a GOP Success.. because the Dem's FAILED to pass "Hillarycare"? REALLY?
    Wasnt it over guns?
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    Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

    thanks for the update

    this can be seen, more than anything, as a white house that has spun its dizzy head silly

    that is, just a few hours ago, they were signalling the opposite

    yesterday, mr boyd of florida said he'd never vote for the thing, and more than that, house leadership was considering scrapping all and starting over again

    boyd's a bluedog, and last week it was the freshmen, perriello and kratovil, who assured angry town halls they would never support waxman/rangel

    point one---boyd, perriello and kratovil are much more level headed in their comments than this zany white house

    ms sebelius said what she said sunday, then took it back

    gibbs said they haven't changed a word but the signs have been there all along

    point two---this white house is making it up as it goes along and changes like a moody teenager every five minutes

    don't worry about this at all, see it more as sheer desperate talk from leadership

    they have NO IDEA what they're gonna do after recess

    and never forget the landscape which, unlike obama's moods, aint gonna change

    he does not have the votes to get a public option thru senate

    not even close

    so he's threatening to go the schumer route?

    reconciliation, and 51 votes?

    that's suicide, patently

    i sincerely do not believe he has 51

    and if he tries to radically rewrite 16% of the economy on such a crassly political loophole---he won't have 51

    this is silly season at its least serious

    it's an important story you break, thanks

    but it does not mean the white house is gonna go schumer

    NO WAY will the white house go reconciliation

    they'd have to reup whatever provisions every single year

    reconciliation has no muscle

    and it, most specifically, has no LEGITIMACY

    all see it for what it is, partisanship at its worst

    if he even TRIED, he'd be deader than he is now

    really, this headline from grey lady nyt makes me LOLOLOLOL!!!

    hilariously, LOLOLOLOL!

    100 times more lily livered than jimmy carter, mr vacillation himself

    this white house does not have a CLUE what it's doing

    the grownups are rolling their eyes

    baucus, conrad, bayh...

    even john kerry and difi---they too have been mentioned by howard dean's groups as senators who may need to be targeted by attack ads

    trust me, this aint going nowhere

    the mere floating of it is absurd, desperation, weakness, silliness

    it would pass the house, that's true

    but it's not even close in the senate, it won't even be tried

    it's half bluff and half kiss up to the lefties who are so hurt

    and it specifically undermines what mr baucus is trying to accomplish with his ubiquitous six

    i'd be shocked at the amateurishness if i hadn't seen so much already

    this actually sets back his ambitions severely, it undercuts what the negotiators are trying to get done in the gateway, senate finance

    thanks for the scoop, good job

    cliff
    Last edited by The Prof; 08-18-09 at 10:23 PM.

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