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    Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The falsity of this claim has been explained to you numerous times. Why do you keep repeating this lie?
    You are obviously thinking of someone else. Medicare is working quite well...there is no lie in that. Seniors overwhelmingly approve of medicare and Republicans have preyed on that with the fear that they might lose it.
    Where have you been for the last month?
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    Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    i appreciate that, but if you think about it, my job is kinda to annoy you

    if i were a lib, it would probably bother you less
    How can anyone tell.....no one actually reads your posts...haven't you noticed?
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    Re: Democrats Seem Set to Go Alone on a Health Bill

    apparently southern dem does, else how could he find my way so annoying?

    besides, why would you care?

    i was talking to him

    health care's dead

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    Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    i appreciate that, but if you think about it, my job is kinda to annoy you

    if i were a lib, it would probably bother you less
    Don't know about Southern, but I would still be equally bothered. Seriously, post coherent paragraphs and sentences. I never even read your posts, I just find it annoying.

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    Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You are obviously thinking of someone else. Medicare is working quite well...there is no lie in that.
    No, it's absolutely not. Have you ever read one of the Trustees Reports?

    I'm not trying to be rude, but nobody who has ever seriously looked at Medicare could deny that it faces serious and systemic problems in the immediate and long-term future.

    The HI trust fund is not adequately financed over the next 10 years. At the beginning of 2009 the assets of the HI trust fund were $321 billion and are projected to be exhausted during 2017, under the intermediate assumptions. The HI trust fund does not meet the short-range test of financial adequacy. Although the short-range financial status of the HI trust fund has not been considered satisfactory since 2003, the outlook has further deteriorated as a result of the current economic recession.
    The difference between Medicare’s total outlays and its “dedicated financing sources” is estimated to reach 45 percent of outlays in fiscal year 2014, the sixth year of the projection. Based on this result, the Board of Trustees is required to issue a determination of projected “excess general revenue Medicare funding” in this report. This is the fourth consecutive such finding, and it again triggers a statutory “Medicare funding warning,” indicating that Federal general revenues are becoming a substantial share of total financing for Medicare.
    Under the intermediate assumptions the HI trust fund is projected to be exhausted in 2017, 2 years earlier than in last year’s report, reflecting much lower projected payroll tax income as a result of the recession. For the 75-year projection period, the actuarial deficit has increased from 3.55 to 3.88 percent of taxable payroll.

    The HI annual cost rate is projected to increase from 3.31 percent of taxable payroll in 2008 to 12.07 percent in 2083—8.55 percent of taxable payroll more than the projected income rate for 2083. Expressed in relation to the projected Gross Domestic Product (GDP), HI cost is estimated to rise from the current level of 1.6 percent of GDP to 5.0 percent in 2083.

    Part B outlays were 1.3 percent of GDP in 2008 and are projected to grow to about 4.5 percent by 2083. These cost projections, however, are understated as a result of the substantial reductions in physician payments that would be required under current law. Actual future Part B costs will depend on the steps Congress takes to address the situation but could exceed the current-law projections by 18 to 21 percent in 2015 and by as much as 10 percent for 2030 and later.

    Part D outlays are estimated to increase from 0.4 percent of GDP in 2008 to about 1.8 percent by 2083.
    http://www.cms.hhs.gov/ReportsTrustF...ads/tr2009.pdf

    Seniors overwhelmingly approve of medicare
    Of course they do.

    1) They aren't paying for it
    2) They're getting it
    3) By the time it all completely goes to ****, they'll be dead
    4) They, like you, probably don't have any idea of the problems the system faces

    and Republicans have preyed on that with the fear that they might lose it.
    This isn't fear-mongering, it's what's known as a "fact." Medicare is ****ed.

    Where have you been for the last month?
    I've been learning something about what I'm talking about. What have you been doing?
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    Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottD View Post
    Don't know about Southern, but I would still be equally bothered. Seriously, post coherent paragraphs and sentences. I never even read your posts, I just find it annoying.
    your loss

    i sure don't read yours, i couldn't distinguish you from 100's of others

    there's only one The prototypical Prof

    incomparable

    LOL!

    health care's dead

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    Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    This way you have of posting is astonishingly annoying.
    I know what you mean, if he put together one real paragraph with a logical flow of thought I would give him a thanks just for that. Sometimes it seems as if he has an actual point to make but that stream of consciousness thing makes him sound like one of those old beatniks reading some strange poem not meant to mean anything.

    In reference to the topic I would add that there is nothing to be lost at this point by doing a little shoving. Playing nice is never a good idea if only one party does it.

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    Re: Democrats Seem Set to Go Alone on a Health Bill

    ah, they're talking about ME again

    The non pareil Prof

    gotta make buzz in this biz

    spy out my piece tomorrow, Prodigious Political Pratfalls, on PPPP (partisan politics, political platforms---i find that page precious, LOL!)

    you'll clap

    it's sentences are all complete

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    Re: Democrats Seem Set to Go Alone on a Health Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    ah, they're talking about ME again

    The non pareil Prof

    gotta make buzz in this biz

    spy out my piece tomorrow, Prodigious Political Pratfalls, on PPPP (partisan politics, political platforms---i find that page precious, LOL!)

    you'll clap

    it's sentences are all complete

    LOL!


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    Re: Democrats Seem Set to Go Alone on a Health Bill

    remaining problems in obamacare, AFTER the death of the option

    1. it fines individuals

    2. it forces them to buy for themselves coverage they can't afford

    3. it bends the cost curve the wrong way

    4. it effectively extends coverage to illegals, per the killing of heller in ways and means, july 17

    5. it generalizes funding of abortion

    6. it massively cuts medicare and medicaid

    7. it looks to end of life costs for scary savings

    8. it taxes benefits

    9. it taxes small business 8%, in the middle of a depression

    10. it surcharges those who make more than 250G, couples over 350, a pointy problem politically

    11. it's foot in the door incrementalism to ultimate nationalization, or so says obama in an earlier, more candid, less rehearsed day

    12. the prez never read it, which is part of the reason he's been such an ineffective salesperson

    these are the biggest reasons why health care's dead

    check out "Prodigious Political Pratfalls" by The incomparable Prof tomorrow on PPPP

    it will DOUBLE your basic understanding of politics

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