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    Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    We know that's what you are desperately praying for....because the converse would be pure hell for you. If the economy improves...which is looks like is happening...and healthcare reform turns out to be successful, it will be complete disaster for the GOP and conservatives in general.

    I must, disagree wholeheartedly.

    I'd be all for plans that helped America, made it stronger...

    The economy is not improving, one blip does not an improvement make, and "healthcare reform" as the Dem's want it is NOT going to be good for us, at all.

    So, that's where you are wrong. Government cannot fix these problems by taking an active role in them. Just... cannot do it.
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    Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    You are presupposing a rational general public. Such a public does not exist.
    I have very little faith in the general public. But I do know that they respond to certain things, mainly the economy and national security. If the economy improves, the GOP is in deep trouble.
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    Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I must, disagree wholeheartedly.

    I'd be all for plans that helped America, made it stronger...

    The economy is not improving, one blip does not an improvement make, and "healthcare reform" as the Dem's want it is NOT going to be good for us, at all.

    So, that's where you are wrong. Government cannot fix these problems by taking an active role in them. Just... cannot do it.
    I must wholeheartedly disagree. Deregulation and letting business police itself, policies big in the GOP/conservative world are what has gotten us into this mess in the first place.

    Medicare actually operates quite well. You take the "for profit" corporations and CEO's out of healthcare, put some real restrictions on frivilous lawsuits and everyone benefits.
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    Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I have very little faith in the general public. But I do know that they respond to certain things, mainly the economy and national security. If the economy improves, the GOP is in deep trouble.
    The general public (including Democrats minus the liberals and some of the moderates) believes Reagan's Administration was a success because the 80s were prosperous. That pretty much speaks for their attention span and capacity for investigating and processing information -- that is, keeping track of what is going on and why things are the way they are. Provided they remain that way and the Republican Party remains unscrupulous, no successes of the Democratic Party represent a tangible threat.

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    Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I must wholeheartedly disagree. Deregulation and letting business police itself, policies big in the GOP/conservative world are what has gotten us into this mess in the first place.

    Medicare actually operates quite well. You take the "for profit" corporations and CEO's out of healthcare, put some real restrictions on frivilous lawsuits and everyone benefits.
    The falsity of this claim has been explained to you numerous times. Why do you keep repeating this lie?
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    Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    If they fail, it will be 1994 again. It you remember, 1994 happened after the Democrats failed, not after they passed something.
    Dont forget about the "assault" rifle ban.
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    Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Medicare actually operates quite well.
    The program is dripping with red ink and you think it's well?
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    Re: Democrats Seem Set to Go Alone on a Health Bill

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/19/he...gewanted=print

    Link has been added to OP, title is fixed.

    Some excerpts, if you can get past the blatant Obama-cheering contained in this opinion/analysis masquerading as a news piece:

    The Democratic shift may not make producing a final bill much easier. The party must still reconcile the views of moderate and conservative Democrats worried about the cost and scope of the legislation with those of more liberal lawmakers determined to win a government-run insurance option to compete with private insurers.

    On the other hand, such a change could alter the dynamic of talks surrounding health care legislation, and even change the substance of a final bill. With no need to negotiate with Republicans, Democrats might be better able to move more quickly, relying on their large majorities in both houses.

    Democratic senators might feel more empowered, for example, to define the authority of the nonprofit insurance cooperatives that are emerging as an alternative to a public insurance plan.
    This week’s careful administration maneuvering on whether a public insurance option was an essential element of any final bill was seemingly part of the new White House effort to find consensus among Democrats, since the public plan has been resisted by moderate and conservative Democrats who could be crucial to winning the votes for passage if no Republicans are on board.

    For the second time in two days, Mr. Obama did not mention health care on Tuesday, a marked departure from the aggressive public relations campaign he mounted in July and early August. The White House is striving to stay out of the fray, aides said, until the president can get away on vacation this weekend.
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    Re: Democrats Seem Set to Go Alone on a Health Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    We will get the public option, thank GOD! Seems the dems are getting it done finally:

    House Dems Rally Behind Public Option In Weekly Caucus Gathering
    aw, cmon, friend, what would you expect of the house caucus?

    the point is---the big boys and girls in the senate know the lay of the land, they don't let hot heads prevail like downstairs, which, y'know, is all to be expected

    but bill clinton is telling you, he's telling the left of his party---prepare for life without the public option

    (see celticlord's thread on the subject)

    kent conrad, spokesperson for the blue half of baucus' ubiquitous six, said sunday on fns---we don't have the votes, we never had the votes

    ms mccaskill had to promise, in order to get outta the gym alive in hillsboro---it's not on the table, it will never be on any table

    when her very well informed audience redounded in outrage against that rather rubbery claim, she clarified---in the senate, it's not part of the senate, it's only in the house

    but more to the point---she had to vow she'd NEVER sign a public option, else they'd have skinned her alive

    mr baucus has been trying to tell the president for months, it just can't be done, it's just not real

    doug elmendorf, of cbo, the mathematician

    mr DURBIN---c'mon, friend, dick durbin, the WHIP---i'm "open" to "cutting" the public option

    i can provide links to all (i already have, repeatedly)

    the prez himself in grand junction---it's just a sliver of what we're trying for

    you need to get real

    or not

    but the prez sure does, needs to get his feet on EARTH

    and per the TITLE of THIS thread, he's (STILL) going the wrong way

    sorry

    but what an IDIOT he is

    no wonder so many dems are SO confused

    he's created a civil war in a party that only 3 or 4 months ago had the world

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    Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    This way you have of posting is astonishingly annoying.
    i appreciate that, but if you think about it, my job is kinda to annoy you

    if i were a lib, it would probably bother you less

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