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    Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

    I agree that if the Democrat do this, it will be 1994 all over again. Nothing will energize people into voting Conservative more than passing this plan as it currently is written.

    And by the way, Republicans took over in 1994 because Democrats tried to pass universal healthcare, not because they could not pass it.
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    Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    And by the way, Republicans took over in 1994 because Democrats tried to pass universal healthcare, not because they could not pass it.
    That is not really accurate to my mind. 1994 was about a strong positive message on the part of republicans. I don't care for Newt, but he did a brilliant job with the Contract with America. Thankfully, republicans have apparently not learned the lesson from that election. Unfortunately, neither have the democrats.

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    Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

    yes, and while you have the nyt saying that dems are going to do what they've threatened, on and off, for a month, you have the other half of the party (far more reasonably, and much more in accord with the mood of america) suggesting the exact opposite

    this is a desperate dem leadership completely outta control, it's lost grip, and it has no idea how to get it back

    the only course for obama, if he wants to succeed, is to pare down, stick to a single point, rally his folks, stop the democratic infighting, establish leadership and direction, sell coherently to the people at large...

    if he did THAT and had the right package (pre existing conditions, portability, maybe some kinda co op), he could get some gop votes even, he could get a bill

    (actually, it's too late, he'd look like a phony now even if he went that route)

    so sorry

    a white house in flames runs around like keystone kops

    very sad

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    Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    If they fail, it will be 1994 again. It you remember, 1994 happened after the Democrats failed, not after they passed something.

    So long as they pass a bill with co-ops or just anything other than something with an expressly defined public option in it, everyone other than the right wingers will have forgotten about this by the elections in 2010. The 2010 elections will be more about the economy than anything else.
    We will get the public option, thank GOD! Seems the dems are getting it done finally:

    House Dems Rally Behind Public Option In Weekly Caucus Gathering
    It's time for a revolution in our country. Not a revolution forged with guns and bombs but a revolution forged of compassion and altruism. A revolution that extends a hand to those who don't have and who cannot. A revolution that makes Health Care available to all those in the US.

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    Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

    The Republicans decided from the beginning they were going to oppose any effective health care reform. So a Democrat solo mission was the only possible outcome from the very beginning.

    We will get the public option, thank GOD!
    Well, the House is easy. The Senate is the tricky part.
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    Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

    republicans (should) have very little to do with this us

    any small (but growing) role they're playing has been magnified by the incompetence of dem leadership, what with its sixty senators, 79 seat majority in the house, and other advantages

    the civil war on the verge of breaking out within the party is purely due to leadership's horrible political gamesmanship

    while bluedogs, freshmen, cbo, grownups (like conrad, baucus, difi, kerry) and most blue governors (bill richardson, christine gregoire, phil bredesen, bill ritter) counsel measured action and responsibility, on the other side 60 libs wrote a letter MONDAY to ms sebelius THREATENING to BOLT the party if they don't get what they want

    House Dems warn Sebelius: No reform without public option - War Room - Salon.com

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    Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

    Gallup Daily: Obama Job Approval

    As you can see, the country has sooo much faith in the President.


    The public option will be the death knell of the Dem's short lived control over the House, the Senate and the WH.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Gallup Daily: Obama Job Approval

    As you can see, the country has sooo much faith in the President.


    The public option will be the death knell of the Dem's short lived control over the House, the Senate and the WH.
    We know that's what you are desperately praying for....because the converse would be pure hell for you. If the economy improves...which is looks like is happening...and healthcare reform turns out to be successful, it will be complete disaster for the GOP and conservatives in general.
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    Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    thanks for the update

    this can be seen, more than anything, as a white house that has spun its dizzy head silly

    that is, just a few hours ago, they were signalling the opposite

    yesterday, mr boyd of florida said he'd never vote for the thing, and more than that, house leadership was considering scrapping all and starting over again

    boyd's a bluedog, and last week it was the freshmen, perriello and kratovil, who assured angry town halls they would never support waxman/rangel

    point one---boyd, perriello and kratovil are much more level headed in their comments than this zany white house

    ms sebelius said what she said sunday, then took it back

    gibbs said they haven't changed a word but the signs have been there all along

    point two---this white house is making it up as it goes along and changes like a moody teenager every five minutes

    don't worry about this at all, see it more as sheer desperate talk from leadership

    they have NO IDEA what they're gonna do after recess

    and never forget the landscape which, unlike obama's moods, aint gonna change

    he does not have the votes to get a public option thru senate

    not even close

    so he's threatening to go the schumer route?

    reconciliation, and 51 votes?

    that's suicide, patently

    i sincerely do not believe he has 51

    and if he tries to radically rewrite 16% of the economy on such a crassly political loophole---he won't have 51

    this is silly season at its least serious

    it's an important story you break, thanks

    but it does not mean the white house is gonna go schumer

    NO WAY will the white house go reconciliation

    they'd have to reup whatever provisions every single year

    reconciliation has no muscle

    and it, most specifically, has no LEGITIMACY

    all see it for what it is, partisanship at its worst

    if he even TRIED, he'd be deader than he is now

    really, this headline from grey lady nyt makes me LOLOLOLOL!!!

    hilariously, LOLOLOLOL!

    100 times more lily livered than jimmy carter, mr vacillation himself

    this white house does not have a CLUE what it's doing

    the grownups are rolling their eyes

    baucus, conrad, bayh...

    even john kerry and difi---they too have been mentioned by howard dean's groups as senators who may need to be targeted by attack ads

    trust me, this aint going nowhere

    the mere floating of it is absurd, desperation, weakness, silliness

    it would pass the house, that's true

    but it's not even close in the senate, it won't even be tried

    it's half bluff and half kiss up to the lefties who are so hurt

    and it specifically undermines what mr baucus is trying to accomplish with his ubiquitous six

    i'd be shocked at the amateurishness if i hadn't seen so much already

    this actually sets back his ambitions severely, it undercuts what the negotiators are trying to get done in the gateway, senate finance

    thanks for the scoop, good job

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    Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    We know that's what you are desperately praying for....because the converse would be pure hell for you. If the economy improves...which is looks like is happening...and healthcare reform turns out to be successful, it will be complete disaster for the GOP and conservatives in general.
    You are presupposing a rational general public. Such a public does not exist.

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