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    Analysis: Liberals tired of healthcare compromises [edited]

    AMEN!

    Analysis: Liberals tired of health care compromise - Yahoo! News

    Liberal activists say there's no point in the Democrats winning the House, Senate and White House unless they use their clout to enact the major measures that Obama campaigned for — with or without some Republican support (Absolutely!)

    "It is clear that Republicans have decided 'no health care' is a victory for them," Andy Stern, president of the Service Employees International Union, said in an interview. "There is a point at which bipartisanship reaches a limit, and I would say it's reaching that limit (DUH!)

    Grassley told an Iowa crowd he would not support a plan that "determines when you're going to pull the plug on Grandma." The remark echoed conservative activists who wrongly claim a House health care bill would require Medicare recipients to discuss their end-of-life plans with doctors.

    For liberals supporting far-reaching changes to the nation's health care system, it was another sign that months of negotiations have been a one-way street. It's time to move on without Republicans
    (They're starting to get it).



    There's absolutely no point in trying to negotiate with the "party of no". They have made it clear that they are going to oppose anything Obama proposes.....so screw them.
    Obama needs to realize that having a few Republicans on board to make him "look better" is less a priority that getting meaningful healthcare reform passed.

    The Democrats can do this without 1 Republican vote. Its time for the Democrats to grow a spine and get to work.
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    Re: Liberals tired of healthcare compromises

    Their problem is not the Republicans. They have solid majorities and the Republicans were not going to vote for any bill they put forth anyway because there are hardly any moderates at all left in the Republican party.

    The Democrats have to get the moderate and blue dog Democrats on board, that is their problem.
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    Re: Analysis: Liberals tired of healthcare compromises [edited]

    Yeah, there's just one problem in that not all Democrats are as far left as the leaders of the Democratic party. As such, they are concerned about things like a balanced budget and what the people really want.

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    Re: Analysis: Liberals tired of healthcare compromises [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    AMEN!

    Analysis: Liberals tired of health care compromise - Yahoo! News

    Liberal activists say there's no point in the Democrats winning the House, Senate and White House unless they use their clout to enact the major measures that Obama campaigned for — with or without some Republican support (Absolutely!)

    "It is clear that Republicans have decided 'no health care' is a victory for them," Andy Stern, president of the Service Employees International Union, said in an interview. "There is a point at which bipartisanship reaches a limit, and I would say it's reaching that limit (DUH!)

    Grassley told an Iowa crowd he would not support a plan that "determines when you're going to pull the plug on Grandma." The remark echoed conservative activists who wrongly claim a House health care bill would require Medicare recipients to discuss their end-of-life plans with doctors.

    For liberals supporting far-reaching changes to the nation's health care system, it was another sign that months of negotiations have been a one-way street. It's time to move on without Republicans
    (They're starting to get it).



    There's absolutely no point in trying to negotiate with the "party of no". They have made it clear that they are going to oppose anything Obama proposes.....so screw them.
    Obama needs to realize that having a few Republicans on board to make him "look better" is less a priority that getting meaningful healthcare reform passed.

    The Democrats can do this without 1 Republican vote. Its time for the Democrats to grow a spine and get to work.
    As pointed out by others here, it's not just the Republicans who are holding this up. As it is, you have nobody but your own party to blame.

    Furthermore, if you guys decide to pass this without any Republicans, then the public will only have your party to blame. Something tells me that that, rather than the image of bipartisanship, is what Obama is concerned about.
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    Re: Analysis: Liberals tired of healthcare compromises [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Yeah, there's just one problem in that not all Democrats are as far left as the leaders of the Democratic party. As such, they are concerned about things like a balanced budget and what the people really want.
    Not to mention having to flip burgers at McDonalds if they don't listen to their constituates from now on.

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    Re: Analysis: Liberals tired of healthcare compromises [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Furthermore, if you guys decide to pass this without any Republicans, then the public will only have your party to blame. Something tells me that that, rather than the image of bipartisanship, is what Obama is concerned about.

    That is correct.
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    Re: Analysis: Liberals tired of healthcare compromises [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    AMEN!

    Analysis: Liberals tired of health care compromise - Yahoo! News

    Liberal activists say there's no point in the Democrats winning the House, Senate and White House unless they use their clout to enact the major measures that Obama campaigned for — with or without some Republican support (Absolutely!)

    "It is clear that Republicans have decided 'no health care' is a victory for them," Andy Stern, president of the Service Employees International Union, said in an interview. "There is a point at which bipartisanship reaches a limit, and I would say it's reaching that limit (DUH!)

    Grassley told an Iowa crowd he would not support a plan that "determines when you're going to pull the plug on Grandma." The remark echoed conservative activists who wrongly claim a House health care bill would require Medicare recipients to discuss their end-of-life plans with doctors.

    For liberals supporting far-reaching changes to the nation's health care system, it was another sign that months of negotiations have been a one-way street. It's time to move on without Republicans
    (They're starting to get it).



    There's absolutely no point in trying to negotiate with the "party of no". They have made it clear that they are going to oppose anything Obama proposes.....so screw them.
    Obama needs to realize that having a few Republicans on board to make him "look better" is less a priority that getting meaningful healthcare reform passed.

    The Democrats can do this without 1 Republican vote. Its time for the Democrats to grow a spine and get to work.
    Yep,,, I agree. Let the Liberals stand up, and try to pass a Bill that steals from everyone,,, and 'Empowers" the Govt. to control your every move.

    What better way to expose the "Brain-Dead"? By all means, Vote.

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    Re: Analysis: Liberals tired of healthcare compromises [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    As pointed out by others here, it's not just the Republicans who are holding this up. As it is, you have nobody but your own party to blame.

    Furthermore, if you guys decide to pass this without any Republicans, then the public will only have your party to blame. Something tells me that that, rather than the image of bipartisanship, is what Obama is concerned about.
    Actually, I don't think most people will care in a few months if a bill is passed without Republican support because the bill won't affect most people. The Democrats stand far more to lose if they fail to pass anything than if they pass a bill with little to no Republican support.

    You are right though, the Democratic party has only itself to blame if it cant get something passed. If they are smart, they will take what they can get, pass something, and then claim victory.
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    Re: Analysis: Liberals tired of healthcare compromises [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    As pointed out by others here, it's not just the Republicans who are holding this up. As it is, you have nobody but your own party to blame.

    Furthermore, if you guys decide to pass this without any Republicans, then the public will only have your party to blame. Something tells me that that, rather than the image of bipartisanship, is what Obama is concerned about.
    I agree....Democrats have nobody but the spineless Democrats to blame.

    Look, passing legislation without Republican would be nothing new here. From Day 1 the Republicans drew a line in the sand and said "We are the party of no"....be it with the Stimulus and a host of other issues. This is no different.
    Obama wants to be able to say this was bi-partisan. Its not going to happen. The GOP is not willing to pass anything....so screw em. They will simply look that much more out of touch when America has meaningful healthcare reform and the economy rebounds.

    You are right....without the GOP, the Democrats will get all the blame...or quite possibly all the glory.
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    Re: Analysis: Liberals tired of healthcare compromises [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Actually, I don't think most people will care in a few months if a bill is passed without Republican support because the bill won't affect most people. The Democrats stand far more to lose if they fail to pass anything than if they pass a bill with little to no Republican support.

    You are right though, the Democratic party has only itself to blame if it cant get something passed. If they are smart, they will take what they can get, pass something, and then claim victory.
    The impact on the budget will certainly affect everyone, and depending on the final shape of the bill, the rest of it may as well.

    I agree that the dems will lose out among their party if they fail to pass anything, but if they pass a Dem-only bill that ends up being viewed as a failure, then they can't resort to "well it was bipartisan" like the Reps did with things like Patriot Act, etc.
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