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    Re: Analysis: Liberals tired of healthcare compromises [edited]

    the public option would never have been in place had only the gop teamed up with the bluedogs?

    LOLOLOLOL!!!

    now, THAT's funny

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    Re: Analysis: Liberals tired of healthcare compromises [edited]

    Oh **** bro, you got me. My bad for thinking that any opinion other than yours might be valid.
    Open to how.

    If health care premiums continue to rise while wages remain stagnant, the net worth of the middle class will continue to shrink (which will lead to proportional decreases in educational-working opportunities and political influence)).
    That's a pretty tenuous thread on which to hang that conclusion.
    Health care expenditures in the United States are only one of several private sector problems which endanger the longterm viability of the middle class. But they are in the singular one of the largest, along with house payments and other forms of debt. There is no unitary way of addressing the decline of the middle class, but a cap on premiums would contribute toward the solution.

    This portion is true. Of course, one might wonder what that has to do with the private insurance industry, which is what this bill is trying to address.
    1. It receives sizable subsidies to meet humanitarian goals it performs poorly at because of mis-use.

    2. It price gouges.

    3. Medicare/Medicaid are integrated into the private sector.

    (We might also ask why some people are so eager to expand government control of healthcare when these programs have highlighted just how terrible it turns out in practice.)
    Medicare and Medicaid are operational successes; most of their recipients are pleased with the services they receive and would not have otherwise been eligible for health insurance due to redlining, which was the publicly approved and politically necessary goal at the time and which has been validated by most members of both parties since. Financing could have been better managed, which is one of the ideas behind reform.

    the public option would never have been in place had only the gop teamed up with the bluedogs?

    LOLOLOLOL!!!

    now, THAT's funny
    And the moderates who are anxious about spending.

    It's not really funny. That's the sort of thing you get in a theoretical, bipartisan universe. As it is, the Republican Party strategy assumes that any Democratic success is hurtful to its election prospects (and, if you want to tack it on, the "greater good"), so a derailment today is worth some governing dysfunction tomorrow.
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    Re: Analysis: Liberals tired of healthcare compromises [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    AMEN!

    Analysis: Liberals tired of health care compromise - Yahoo! News

    Liberal activists say there's no point in the Democrats winning the House, Senate and White House unless they use their clout to enact the major measures that Obama campaigned for with or without some Republican support (Absolutely!)

    "It is clear that Republicans have decided 'no health care' is a victory for them," Andy Stern, president of the Service Employees International Union, said in an interview. "There is a point at which bipartisanship reaches a limit, and I would say it's reaching that limit (DUH!)

    Grassley told an Iowa crowd he would not support a plan that "determines when you're going to pull the plug on Grandma." The remark echoed conservative activists who wrongly claim a House health care bill would require Medicare recipients to discuss their end-of-life plans with doctors.

    For liberals supporting far-reaching changes to the nation's health care system, it was another sign that months of negotiations have been a one-way street. It's time to move on without Republicans
    (They're starting to get it).



    There's absolutely no point in trying to negotiate with the "party of no". They have made it clear that they are going to oppose anything Obama proposes.....so screw them.
    Obama needs to realize that having a few Republicans on board to make him "look better" is less a priority that getting meaningful healthcare reform passed.

    The Democrats can do this without 1 Republican vote. Its time for the Democrats to grow a spine and get to work.
    Americans don't want the left's crappy "reform"; check the polls. Take your 1,000 page mockery and set it on fire.

    Personally, I'm overjoyed at the way things turned out. I've never been happier to see one of Obama's policy initiatives crash and burn, I could revel in the flames all night.

    If you're going to blame Republicans for shooting down Obama's health care "reform" then I'm going to send the GOP a big ol' thank you letter.

    Dear GOP,

    Good job guys!!! You finally did something useful!

    From,

    People that enjoy liberty and prosperity.

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    Re: Analysis: Liberals tired of healthcare compromises [edited]

    and the minority party has an obligation to negotiate with the party in power on proposals it sincerely feels will destroy this country because of "standard measurements of political responsibility?"

    LOLOLOL!

    why, you poor, abused little party in power

    so mistreated by the minority

    you make more excuses than THE PRESIDENT

    LOL!

    maybe you should SUE us

    you got all the lawyers

    maybe if the prez weren't such a PELOSI CLONE

    personification of san francisco EXTREMISM

    maybe then NORMAL human beings could negotiate some

    he can't even get HALF his OWN party to negotiate

    while my friend here hrmphs about operational success, redlining and the longterm viability of the middle class

    LOLOL!

    talk about missing the point

    fix the economy or you're dead

    keep your eye on the ball

    the gop aint it, friend

    you're polysyllabically silly

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    Re: Analysis: Liberals tired of healthcare compromises [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Americans don't want the left's crappy "reform"; check the polls. Take your 1,000 page mockery and set it on fire.

    Personally, I'm overjoyed at the way things turned out. I've never been happier to see one of Obama's policy initiatives crash and burn, I could revel in the flames all night.

    If you're going to blame Republicans for shooting down Obama's health care "reform" then I'm going to send the GOP a big ol' thank you letter.

    Dear GOP,

    Good job guys!!! You finally did something useful!

    From,

    People that enjoy liberty and prosperity.
    I'll be waiting for your proposal on how to solve the Medicare/Medicaid problem and rising health insurance premiums/stagnant wages with great anticipation.

    and the minority party has an obligation to negotiate with the party in power on proposals it sincerely feels will destroy this country because of "standard measurements of political responsibility?"
    Well, yes, of course they have a responsibility; engaging in important policy issues is what they are paid gross amounts of tax dollar money to do. That pretty much characterizes the Democrat's interaction with the Bush Administration.

    The Republican Party doesn't sincerely feel anything. If they did, then they would endeavor to the utmost of their power to craft a policy which has a hope of addressing our nation's chronic budget and health care problems while keeping the much-feared Democratic spending to the smallest limit possible. As it is, they are using the Democratic Party health care event to score some political capital from their base and any moderates who will listen while disregarding the Medicare/Medicaid problem totally (continuation of the Bush policy), along with the stagnant wages/rising health care costs problem.
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    Re: Analysis: Liberals tired of healthcare compromises [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    And the moderates who are anxious about spending.

    It's not really funny. That's the sort of thing you get in a theoretical, bipartisan universe. As it is, the Republican Party strategy assumes that any Democratic success is hurtful to its election prospects (and, if you want to tack it on, the "greater good"), so a derailment today is worth some governing dysfunction tomorrow.
    oh, no, friend, it's hilarious

    had the gop teamed up with bluedogs and "moderates anxious about spending," obama would never have gone there in the first place

    LOLOLOL!

    THAT's funny!

    he won't even BACK OFF it NOW!

    he's got BILL freakin CLINTON tellin him

    the MATHEMATICIANS (you should DIG mathematicians, friend) at CBO

    the GATEKEEPER, mr baucus

    the WHIP, mr durbin (FROM! illinois)

    his own MISSIONARY on MEDS (if he'd only paid his taxes), mr daschle, who IN JUNE declared the public option dead

    sorry

    you had every possible advantage

    ALL FAILURES are on YOUR LEADERSHIP

    deal with it

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    Re: Analysis: Liberals tired of healthcare compromises [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    I'll be waiting for your proposal on how to solve the Medicare/Medicaid problem and rising health insurance premiums/stagnant wages with great anticipation.
    step one---get this IDIOT outta the white house

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    Re: Analysis: Liberals tired of healthcare compromises [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    step one---get this IDIOT outta the white house
    ... mine was go back in time and rig the elections so that none of the last 3 Republican administrations won. That would trim off 9-10 trillion dollars of debt and thus put off any budget concerns for another couple of decades. But if you want to drop the jokes and actually have a plausible idea on a very serious matter, we can actually have an argument, maybe.

    oh, no, friend, it's hilarious

    had the gop teamed up with bluedogs and "moderates anxious about spending," obama would never have gone there in the first place

    LOLOLOL!

    THAT's funny!

    he won't even BACK OFF it NOW!

    he's got BILL freakin CLINTON tellin him

    the MATHEMATICIANS (you should DIG mathematicians, friend) at CBO

    the GATEKEEPER, mr baucus

    the WHIP, mr durbin (FROM! illinois)

    his own MISSIONARY on MEDS (if he'd only paid his taxes), mr daschle, who IN JUNE declared the public option dead

    sorry

    you had every possible advantage

    ALL FAILURES are on YOUR LEADERSHIP

    deal with it
    You seem fundamentally incapable of understanding how the political process works. First of all, the president has only limited leverage to make Congress do what he wants, and second of all, the president is backing off the necessity of the public insurance option -- purposelessly to my mind, but whatever. If the Republicans had engaged with the Blue Dogs and Moderates, then there would have been far more pressure on the liberal elements of the Democratic Party to tone down the scope of the reform. As it is, they possess the leverage and the Blue Dogs/Blue Dog leaning Moderates will be obliged to support the crux of it, whether it is the public insurance option or the less vaunted co-ops.

    That's not what the Republican Party is after, however. They want political capital for future elections and will take it at any opportunity, to hell with any problems Medicare/Medicaid or the private sector might have.
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    Re: Analysis: Liberals tired of healthcare compromises [edited]

    go back in time?!

    LOL!

    THAT's leadership?

    you don't get it, friend

    this is WHY your party has squandered the world it so utterly owned just 3 months ago

    i haven't cracked one single joke, friend

    i've laughed at what, in my sincere opinion, are absurdities

    fix this economy or you're dead

    and fix health care too

    and you know what else?

    hurry the blank up

    quit making excuses and looking in the rear view mirror

    leadership's a bitch, i already told you that

    you act like you've never been here before

    it's becoming quite clear this IDIOT president is not UP TO IT

    he too acts as if he didn't know all the CRAP that comes with the territory

    no one ever said anything was FAIR

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    Re: Analysis: Liberals tired of healthcare compromises [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    That's not what the Republican Party is after, however. They want political capital for future elections and will take it at any opportunity, to hell with any problems Medicare/Medicaid or the private sector might have.
    Did you ever think that Medicare/Medicaid cause more problems than they solve?

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