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Analysis: Liberals tired of healthcare compromises [edited]

Have the liberals considered offering a plan that Republicans might support?
That is, after all, what bi-partisanship is.

No matter how hard you try, you cannot get past the fact that if The Obama's plan fails, it is because the DEMOCRATS failed to pass it.


Yes Goob...they have tried and when they did, the Party of No walked away again. THAT is the entire point of the article. The Party of No has made it clear that they are not interested in any type of bi-partisan bill.

So as a result...that's why I say "screw em".

As for your final contention...we agree. I'm not and have never tried to get "past" the fact that if Obama's plan fails it is because of the Democrats.

The Democrats can get this done without a single Republican vote. Americans put the Democrats into power to get something done. If the Dems fail to recognize this and don't take advantage of the political capital that they were given by the voters, then they don't deserve to be a majority party.
 
Yes Goob...they have tried and when they did...
Specifically, what plan did they offer, and how was it something that a Republican, being Republican, could support?

THAT is the entire point of the article. The Party of No has made it clear that they are not interested in any type of bi-partisan bill.
Remember that "bi-partisan" doesnt mean "accept/support our plan" it means "a plan that both sides can support".

So as a result...that's why I say "screw em".
Not a surprise -- its MUCH better to force your ideology on others, rather than work out a comprimise.

As for your final contention...we agree. I'm not and have never tried to get "past" the fact that if Obama's plan fails it is because of the Democrats.

The Democrats can get this done without a single Republican vote. Americans put the Democrats into power to get something done. If the Dems fail to recognize this and don't take advantage of the political capital that they were given by the voters, then they don't deserve to be a majority party.
Good for you!
 
Yes Goob...they have tried and when they did, the Party of No walked away again. THAT is the entire point of the article. The Party of No has made it clear that they are not interested in any type of bi-partisan bill.

So as a result...that's why I say "screw em".

As for your final contention...we agree. I'm not and have never tried to get "past" the fact that if Obama's plan fails it is because of the Democrats.

The Democrats can get this done without a single Republican vote. Americans put the Democrats into power to get something done. If the Dems fail to recognize this and don't take advantage of the political capital that they were given by the voters, then they don't deserve to be a majority party.



Go for it... in 2010 Mickey mouse will beat any lib running... Goofy will be able to kick Barry's ass come 2012.... Go for it, what's stopping you libs, no guts?
 
Go for it... in 2010 Mickey mouse will beat any lib running... Goofy will be able to kick Barry's ass come 2012.... Go for it, what's stopping you libs, no guts?

Sad thing is, the right wingers make these statements at the expense of proper policy discussion and really work done by our elected officials. It's about politics and power, not about the American people.
 
Sad thing is, the right wingers make these statements at the expense of proper policy discussion and really work done by our elected officials. It's about politics and power, not about the American people.

Right wingers as you put it are tired of you socialists telling us you want bipartisanship when all you want is to cram your stupid, country destroying crap down the American peoples throat when you know damned well they don't want it.... so vote for it, cram it down our throat.... you will own it, then all you socialists can go work for McDonalds come next election. :mrgreen:
 
Right wingers as you put it are tired of you socialists telling us you want bipartisanship when all you want is to cram your stupid, country destroying crap down the American peoples throat when you know damned well they don't want it.... so vote for it, cram it down our throat.... you will own it, then all you socialists can go work for McDonalds come next election. :mrgreen:

Own your 9-10 trillion dollar debt first. In addition, if we succeed, you must bow down and call us masters.
 
What happens if they pass legitimate healthcare reform without a single GOP vote and it actually succeeds?

That's a big, "if". The Blue Dogs know it. Judging from the public reaction already, just passing the bill will spell the end of many-a-congressional career for Dems all over the country.

The thing is, as both Reagan and Bush proved, no one loses elections due to big deficits.

The Republican Party has moved pretty far to the right and well outside of the mainstream of America. They are largely beholden to hard core activists in the base and conservative media. There is no chance of anything drawing bipartisan support with Republicans. The Limbaughs and Glen Becks out there just wont have it.

Most Americans are pragmatic and moderate, there problem with Democrats right now is that they believe the Democrats are trying to do too much and spend too much instead of focusing on nothing but economic recovery. That does not mean that they are all of a sudden resurrecting that long gone Reagan Coalition again though. They are pissed off at the Democrats right now, but they hate Republicans.

But, presidents do lose elections when they swoop into town over-reaching on every issue they can. Carter proved that, any president that raises taxes and kills jobs during a recession can lose an election in a heart beat. The Dems swung too far Left. The American people don't want that. Personally, I believe that the Liberals believed too much of their own propaganda and now it's biting them in the ass.

The Dems are really stickin' to the working class and the last thing anyone wants to do is piss off the largest single voting block in the country. Especially when the whole motive is to pacify the welfare class.
 
If the economy improves and health care actually succeeds,

Neither of those are going to happen. PBO has made it obvious that improving the economy isn't at all what he's interested in doing.
 
Neither of those are going to happen. PBO has made it obvious that improving the economy isn't at all what he's interested in doing.

Exactly the opposite.
 
Neither of those are going to happen. PBO has made it obvious that improving the economy isn't at all what he's interested in doing.

Why on earth wont the economy improve?
 
Neither of those are going to happen. PBO has made it obvious that improving the economy isn't at all what he's interested in doing.

This is demonstrably either an incredibly stupid statement, or a lie. One of the first things Obama did as president is prioritize a stimulus package, which while you can argue about it's effectiveness, was obviously intended to improve the economy.
 
Why on earth wont the economy improve?

The Libbos aren't going to let it improve. Nothing they've done, or even proposed has, or will have a positive effect on the economy. Cap-n-Trade sure as hell won't improve the economy.


This is demonstrably either an incredibly stupid statement, or a lie. One of the first things Obama did as president is prioritize a stimulus package, which while you can argue about it's effectiveness, was obviously intended to improve the economy.


And, since the money was pissed away on union raises and Liberal wet dreams from the past 30 years, it hasn't had the desired effect. In some cases it did the opposite of what it was intended to do. It's incredibly stupid to think that the stealfromus package did anything to help the economy.
 
AMEN!

Analysis: Liberals tired of health care compromise - Yahoo! News

Liberal activists say there's no point in the Democrats winning the House, Senate and White House unless they use their clout to enact the major measures that Obama campaigned for — with or without some Republican support (Absolutely!)

"It is clear that Republicans have decided 'no health care' is a victory for them," Andy Stern, president of the Service Employees International Union, said in an interview. "There is a point at which bipartisanship reaches a limit, and I would say it's reaching that limit (DUH!)

Grassley told an Iowa crowd he would not support a plan that "determines when you're going to pull the plug on Grandma." The remark echoed conservative activists who wrongly claim a House health care bill would require Medicare recipients to discuss their end-of-life plans with doctors.

For liberals supporting far-reaching changes to the nation's health care system, it was another sign that months of negotiations have been a one-way street. It's time to move on without Republicans
(They're starting to get it).



There's absolutely no point in trying to negotiate with the "party of no". They have made it clear that they are going to oppose anything Obama proposes.....so screw them.
Obama needs to realize that having a few Republicans on board to make him "look better" is less a priority that getting meaningful healthcare reform passed.

The Democrats can do this without 1 Republican vote. Its time for the Democrats to grow a spine and get to work.

Instead of trying to implement yet another national system (that I am against period), why do we not first try and fix the one of several similar broken systems first. Why keep adding new systems when none of the current systems work properly? More doesnt mean better...
 
The Libbos aren't going to let it improve. Nothing they've done, or even proposed has, or will have a positive effect on the economy. Cap-n-Trade sure as hell won't improve the economy.





And, since the money was pissed away on union raises and Liberal wet dreams from the past 30 years, it hasn't had the desired effect. In some cases it did the opposite of what it was intended to do. It's incredibly stupid to think that the stealfromus package did anything to help the economy.

and yet economic indicators show numerous signs of recovery.....your worst nightmare.
 
Instead of trying to implement yet another national system (that I am against period), why do we not first try and fix the one of several similar broken systems first. Why keep adding new systems when none of the current systems work properly? More doesnt mean better...

Sometimes when the current ones don't work, it's time to get a new one.
You can't always keep patching a leaky hose.
 
and yet economic indicators show numerous signs of recovery.....your worst nightmare.

Um, noooooo, they don't...LOL!!!! The Cash-4-Clunkers program even flopped.

You can kiss it all good bye when they pass cap-n-tax.
 
Um, noooooo, they don't...LOL!!!! The Cash-4-Clunkers program even flopped.

You can kiss it all good bye when they pass cap-n-tax.

I love how you constantly try to paint a program that has been wildly successful "a flop"

More people have participated in the program than even could have been hoped for. Americans are going back to work. Good paying manufacturing jobs are being saved.

But you keep up your efforts Apdst...it is better than the comedy programs on TV.
 
I love how you constantly try to paint a program that has been wildly successful "a flop"

They've only paid out 2% of the C4C payments to the dealers. That's not the sign of success, my friend. Wanna make a bet on how many dealers go under because they don't get the money? Or how many of the C4C cars will get repoed?

Good paying manufacturing jobs are being saved.

Good paying union jobs are being payed off. Why did PBO send 2 billion bucks to Brazil for oil and gas exploration if he was so interested in saving American jobs?
 
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They've only paid out 2% of the C4C payments to the dealers. That's not the sign of success, my friend. Wanna make a bet on how many dealers go under because they don't get the money? Or how many of the C4C cars will get repoed?



Good paying union jobs are being payed off. Why did PBO send 2 billion bucks to Brazil for oil and gas exploration if he was so interested in saving American jobs?

I have no doubt the dealers will get paid and I doubt any dealers are going to go under. I think just the opposite. It probably saved a number of dealers.

As for you tired repo claims. Save it....you have nothing substantial to back it up and this barking dog is just getting old.

As for your "Brazillian Oil" strawman....its unrelated and completely a separate issue. However, perhaps a little thinking outside the box and seeking independence from Middle Eastern Oil with alternative sources might be a bit too much for you to comprehend.
 
Oh, look, C4C is already out of money, again.

All of the money authorized by Congress for the Cash for Clunkers program may already have been spent.

Late Tuesday, the National Automobile Dealers Association in Washington, D.C., released a survey of its members that estimated they have submitted claims for nearly $3.3 billion. The Cash for Clunkers program is only authorized to spend $3 billion.

Survey: Cash for Clunkers is tapped out
 
Oh, look, C4C is already out of money, again.

Like I said...its been a wildly popular program.

If it still had a ton of money....you would be arguing that its such a failure because people are purchasing.

You guys are sooooo transparent. :doh
 
Like I said...its been a wildly popular program.

If it still had a ton of money....you would be arguing that its such a failure because people are purchasing.

You guys are sooooo transparent. :doh

Tell ya what, when 100% of the dealers have their money and there's not a bursting of this atificial auto bubble, then you can say I was wrong.
 
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