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    FACT CHECK: White House ignores health concession

    FACT CHECK: White House ignores health concession

    WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Barack Obama has indicated a willingness to drop a government-run health care plan from any overhaul. The White House says that's not a shift. Actually, it is.

    Fierce proponents of a government-run health plan for months, Obama and senior administration officials, bowing to pressure from Republicans and skeptical voters, suggested that such a public option is not do-or-die.

    "All I'm saying is, though, that the public option, whether we have it or we don't have it, is not the entirety of health care reform," the president told a town hall-style audience in Grand Junction, Colo., on Saturday. "This is just one sliver of it, one aspect of it."

    CLAIM: "I challenge you guys all to go back and see what we've said about this over the course of many, many, many, many months, and you'll find a boring consistency to our rhetoric," White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs told reporters.

    THE FACTS: During the 2008 presidential campaign, Obama said a new public plan should offer comprehensive insurance similar to that available to federal employees.

    In the first half of the year, Obama said repeatedly in speeches, weekly radio and Internet addresses and town halls that he wants a health care overhaul that has a taxpayer-funded public health insurance option. He has said the plan would compete with private insurance to keep costs down.

    "That's why any plan I sign must include an insurance exchange: a one-stop shopping marketplace where you can compare the benefits, cost and track records of a variety of plans -- including a public option to increase competition and keep insurance companies honest -- and choose what's best for your family," he said on July 18.

    And in a June 3 letter to Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., and Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., Obama said: "I strongly believe that Americans should have the choice of a public health insurance option operating alongside private plans. This will give them a better range of choices, make the health care market more competitive and keep insurance companies honest."

    When Obama hedged this weekend in Colorado -- and other administration officials followed suit -- liberals cried foul and the White House insisted that the rhetoric hadn't shifted.

    "Must include" became "whether we have it or don't have it."
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    Re: FACT CHECK: White House ignores health concession

    Healthcare could obviously do with lots of reform whether or not there is a public option.

    I personally am a tad disappointed they seem to be giving up on this whole public option thing so easily.

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    Re: FACT CHECK: White House ignores health concession

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Healthcare could obviously do with lots of reform whether or not there is a public option.
    As an aside from the primary point made in the OP, which was not addressed

    Lets assume that is true.
    How can it be then assumed that the only (or even the best) way for this to happen is for the Federal government to do it?

    Seems to me that if "cost" is the issue, there are free market devices to address them.

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    Re: FACT CHECK: White House ignores health concession

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Healthcare could obviously do with lots of reform whether or not there is a public option.

    I personally am a tad disappointed they seem to be giving up on this whole public option thing so easily.
    I am not disappointed they are offering the concession.
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    Re: FACT CHECK: White House ignores health concession

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    As an aside from the primary point made in the OP, which was not addressed

    Lets assume that is true.
    How can it be then assumed that the only (or even the best) way for this to happen is for the Federal government to do it?

    Seems to me that if "cost" is the issue, there are free market devices to address them.
    Having health insurance tied to your employer is one issue. No decent options for small businesses with few employees is another issue. Having insurance companies drop folks from the plan as soon as they become chronically ill is another issue. Pre-exsting conditions is another issue.

    There's a whole host of things that the free market simply isn't fixing and insurance companies are making oodles of money off this riot.

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    Re: FACT CHECK: White House ignores health concession

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Healthcare could obviously do with lots of reform whether or not there is a public option.

    I personally am a tad disappointed they seem to be giving up on this whole public option thing so easily.
    Ha. That's funny. Aren't you someone who would fight the public option tooth and nail.

    Is it all about fighting or do we find a way to lower costs and deliver healthcare coverage to more of our citizens? I'm with you on wanting more reform.

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    Re: FACT CHECK: White House ignores health concession

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Having health insurance tied to your employer is one issue. No decent options for small businesses with few employees is another issue. Having insurance companies drop folks from the plan as soon as they become chronically ill is another issue. Pre-exsting conditions is another issue.

    There's a whole host of things that the free market simply isn't fixing and insurance companies are making oodles of money off this riot.
    That it 'isn't fixing it' doesnt mean it can't, and doesn't support the presumption that the Federal government is the only hope.


    The REAL problem here is that we're not questioning the basic premises behind "Health Care Reform" -- that the system is broken and only Government can fix it.

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    Re: FACT CHECK: White House ignores health concession

    Quote Originally Posted by windovervocalcords View Post
    Ha. That's funny. Aren't you someone who would fight the public option tooth and nail.
    Oddly enough, no I'm not.

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    Re: FACT CHECK: White House ignores health concession

    he didn't drop it easily, oh boy

    there's liberal blood all over dc

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    this is one of the ugliest and prolonged infights i've ever seen

    and it's gonna get uglier

    howard dean, probably the most prominent progressive spokesperson, pronounced yesterday---we might as well not even have health care without the option

    the public option is certainly dead, it is OFF the table

    health care still faces huge hurdles, even without it, it's still quite problematical

    for one thing, the left is gonna go turrets

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    Re: FACT CHECK: White House ignores health concession

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Oddly enough, no I'm not.
    Which makes one wonder where you stand on the issue and why.

    The public option would force millions onto it, whether they wanted it or not, and cost the country far more then we can afford... where is the upside to it?
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