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    Re: FACT CHECK: White House ignores health concession

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The reason the plan ran out of money is because it was wildly popular. Damn that Obama for coming up with a massively popular program!
    You're confusing popularity with effective concpetion, planning and execution.

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    Re: FACT CHECK: White House ignores health concession

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You're confusing popularity with effective concpetion, planning and execution.
    Exactly the point I'm trying to make. To take this analogy to the extreme, the government could hand out free firearms to everyone who wanted one. Would it be wildly popular? Probably. Does that mean it's a good idea?
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    Re: FACT CHECK: White House ignores health concession

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    All of these things are rooted in the idea that the health care is a business, and that businesses exist to make a profit.

    And so, I'm not sure how these things indicate a "problem", with the "only" solution found in government.
    I think many of the issues are a direct result of having your health insurance tied to your employer. As long as this tie exists it puts many at a disadvantage. If you could take away this "tie" and every single person had the option to choose from a wide array of plans then the free market would take care of the rest. As it stands now there's no need for large insurance companies to deal competitively when handling any contracts that don't involve large employers with many employees. Obviously in the free market you will always have substantial discounts when buying in bulk but when it comes to health and health care that's unacceptable, IMO. A self employed person should not have to pay 5x the cost for 1/4 of the coverage. Also no employee should fear switching jobs due to pre-existing conditions and possible loss of their insurance.

    Furthermore, as stated previously, the fact that private companies routinely drop those with chronic illnesses leaving the government to pick up the slack in the form of medicare/medicaid is wholly unacceptable. The private insurances are collecting huge amount of monies throughout a lifetime only to turn around and dump substantial costs! It's a racket.

    Then you also have the issue of large insurance plans, particularly HMOs, signing up huge companies and all their employees and dominating certain cities, neighborhoods. The drs. then are forced to contract with these insurances or have no patients. The insurance company then sets the price the dr has to accept and in order to make up the loss the dr. then turns around and charges the uninsured or the self employed high deductible having patient exorbitant fees to make up the difference.

    Why should a self employed landscaper with a high deductible be charged 150 for a dr. visit while a Boeing employee is charged $60 for the exact same visit?

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    Your health insurance isn't "tied" to your employer. I've had more than one job where I refused their coverage and bought my own. I've currently carried my own for years now.
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    Re: FACT CHECK: White House ignores health concession

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Your health insurance isn't "tied" to your employer. I've had more than one job where I refused their coverage and bought my own. I've currently carried my own for years now.
    Not many people are going to be able to afford to do that currently.

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    Re: FACT CHECK: White House ignores health concession

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Your health insurance isn't "tied" to your employer. I've had more than one job where I refused their coverage and bought my own. I've currently carried my own for years now.
    I have my own as well. But I literally pay 5X as much for 1/4 of the coverage! You don't get good deals unless you have a ton of employees. I pay almost $500 a month, have a $3000-$5000 ind/fam deductible that we never come close to meeting. So essentially I pay $500 a month for the off chance that some expensive emergency occurs and on top of that I pay 100% of the costs of all my family's care throughout any given year via a health savings account.

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    Re: FACT CHECK: White House ignores health concession

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Not many people are going to be able to afford to do that currently.
    You would need data to back that up.
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    Re: FACT CHECK: White House ignores health concession

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    I have my own as well. But I literally pay 5X as much for 1/4 of the coverage! You don't get good deals unless you have a ton of employees. I pay almost $500 a month, have a $3000-$5000 ind/fam deductible that we never come close to meeting. So essentially I pay $500 a month for the off chance that some expensive emergency occurs and on top of that I pay 100% of the costs of all my family's care throughout any given year via a health savings account.
    Aren't the seeds of a solution being something other than a government program in there somewhere?
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    Re: FACT CHECK: White House ignores health concession

    Also where I live I can't get dental coverage at all for my kids. There are very few pediatric dentists in the area and they do not take any ins. plans or discount plans my family has access to. They don't have to. Most of the folks in my area are military or government employed. So I pay $250 (500 for both)every six months to have their teeth cleaned which is ridiculous because I only pay about $100 for my own. Luckily this racket will end soon as they'll soon be old enough to just go to my dentist.

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    Re: FACT CHECK: White House ignores health concession

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Aren't the seeds of a solution being something other than a government program in there somewhere?
    Don't know. For years and years and years folks have been complaining but I see no changes. Short of government intervention/regulation I do not see an end to the racket.

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