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    Re: AARP loses members over health care stance

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    So you are saying that the majority of seniors don't want "GovernmentCare". That's great. Looks like we all have a large tax cut coming as soon as we get all these seniors off their Medicare "GovernmentCare" and their Social Security "GovernmentCare" and of course lets not forget about those that are on Disability "GovernmentCare".

    It looks as though the conservative movement feels like they have hypocrisy nailed down on the moral issues so they are moving on to government programs.
    Ever stop to think that the seniors are happy with the way things are right now?.... like most of the people in this country?

    It's going to be a blood bath in 2010.

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    Re: AARP loses members over health care stance

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    Except that these seniors had to pay into that system if they worked, they funded this thing even though the government wasted their contribution, we are now paying their way, but they did everything right, what you are calling hypocrisy is completely incorrect, under a UHC some of us will be paying for everyone's care, whether they contribute or not and will in fact have our own care rationed like everyone else. The difference is these seniors contributed, otherwise they wouldn't be in part A of Medicare and guess what, they have to pay a monthly premium for part B, sound socialized to you? So what does that say about someone who, to make a talking point better fit their argument, doesn't differentiate between a contributory system with very specific requirements for activation versus a UHC where everyone simply is in the system ?
    The money seniors paid in while they were working subsidized their parents and grandparents Medicare benefits. The majority of seniors will get far more in Medicare benefits than they ever paid in.

    If you think the 96 dollars a month seniors pay for Medicare covers the plan for them then you are in a dream world. We, the workers, are subsidizing their health care. Its the very definition of socialism and any senior that would rail against socialism in one breath and demand their medicare in the next is a hypocrite.
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    Re: AARP loses members over health care stance

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Ever stop to think that the seniors are happy with the way things are right now?.... like most of the people in this country?

    It's going to be a blood bath in 2010.
    The way things are now is they are bleeding the system dry. That's why things have to change. Unless you want a massive fica tax increase in a few years, Medicare has to be reformed.
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    Re: AARP loses members over health care stance

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post

    The money seniors paid in while they were working subsidized their parents and grandparents Medicare benefits. The majority of seniors will get far more in Medicare benefits than they ever paid in.
    I already covered that, the seniors paid in, it isn't their fault that the fund was mismanaged, and they are in fact entitled to the system by law and by promise because they followed the rules, and they also contributed to the system at some point and time.

    If you think the 96 dollars a month seniors pay for Medicare covers the plan for them then you are in a dream world. We, the workers, are subsidizing their health care.
    Also covered that, but we also get those benefits when we retire, not that I think it's a great deal, but it is the way it works, UHC is different in that it's an automatic entitlement that many users do not contribute to, which would make the seniors concerns and arguments both different and completely valid respectively.
    Its the very definition of socialism and any senior that would rail against socialism in one breath and demand their medicare in the next is a hypocrite.
    Medicare is a socialist program, I never denied that, Medicaid is the very definition of socialism in that users are not all contributory, we pay for it and don't use it, we will all have the benefit of Medicare(probably not actually) if we work for the number of quarters required and meet the criteria, that does not change the fact that if you don't work the required amount of quarters and pay taxes, you don't get into the system, unlike UHC which is an automatic entitlement, so yes, the seniors do have a valid and unhypocritical argument as they aren't complaining about the same thing.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: AARP loses members over health care stance

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The way things are now is they are bleeding the system dry. That's why things have to change. Unless you want a massive fica tax increase in a few years, Medicare has to be reformed.
    Unless that reform includes alternative funding mechanisms and taking it out of the general fund then it won't be effective.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: AARP loses members over health care stance

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    AARP loses members over health care stance - USATODAY.com

    About 60,000 senior citizens have quit AARP since July 1 due to the group's support for a health care overhaul, a spokesman for the organization said Monday.

    The membership loss suggests dissatisfaction on the part of AARP members at a time when many senior citizens are concerned about proposed cuts to Medicare providers to help pay for making health care available for all. But spokesman Drew Nannis said it wasn't unusual for the powerful, 40 million-strong senior citizens' lobby to shed members in droves when it's advocating on a controversial issue.
    One of the largest voting blocs in the nation is doing a bit of early voting with their feet on GovernmentCare. They don't want it.

    This country is making one message loud and clear--these health care "reform" efforts are not what the people want.

    So why is the majority party ignoring the people who elected them?
    60,000 / 40,000,000 = 0.15% (that's zero point one five percent, not 15%)

    Really representative of the majority of senior citizens.

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    Re: AARP loses members over health care stance

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    60,000 / 40,000,000 = 0.15% (that's zero point one five percent, not 15%)

    Really representative of the majority of senior citizens.
    Holy ****, I thought the NRA was the most powerful lobby and they only have 12 million!

    Hell, do we really have 40 million seniors here!?

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    Re: AARP loses members over health care stance

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    So you are saying that the majority of seniors don't want "GovernmentCare". That's great. Looks like we all have a large tax cut coming as soon as we get all these seniors off their Medicare "GovernmentCare" and their Social Security "GovernmentCare" and of course lets not forget about those that are on Disability "GovernmentCare".

    It looks as though the conservative movement feels like they have hypocrisy nailed down on the moral issues so they are moving on to government programs.
    Since when are you an Independent??? You are never independent, you're as liberal as they come. Let me see you once sound conservative and I'll believe you.
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    Re: AARP loses members over health care stance

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Since when are you an Independent??? You are never independent, you're as liberal as they come. Let me see you once sound conservative and I'll believe you.
    psssst, look at his user-name.

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    Re: AARP loses members over health care stance

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post

    The money seniors paid in while they were working subsidized their parents and grandparents Medicare benefits. The majority of seniors will get far more in Medicare benefits than they ever paid in.

    If you think the 96 dollars a month seniors pay for Medicare covers the plan for them then you are in a dream world. We, the workers, are subsidizing their health care. Its the very definition of socialism and any senior that would rail against socialism in one breath and demand their medicare in the next is a hypocrite.
    Yeah, we know. Don't mix up the discussions, Medicare is another thread that you are welcome to start, but stop the senseless rhetoric here. Where have you been railing against Medicare anyway?
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