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    Re: AARP loses members over health care stance

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The ones that are on it say it's broken, too.
    Actually medicare works pretty well. It's accepted most anywhere. The insured rarely ever has to get involved in billing, etc.

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    Re: AARP loses members over health care stance

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Not bitter, just pointing out the hypocrisy here. If you are on socialized medicine, and at the same time screaming about how you want the government to "stay out of your Medicare", then you are either stupid or a hypocrite (which is pretty much the Republican Party's target demographic these days).
    The old folks think the younger ones are gonna decide it's cost effective to take 'em out rather than pay for their hip replacements and what not.

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    Re: AARP loses members over health care stance

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    The old folks think the younger ones are gonna decide it's cost effective to take 'em out rather than pay for their hip replacements and what not.
    Hmmm....that does work in favor of my "kill all humans and human sympathizers" policy.
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    Re: AARP loses members over health care stance

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    The old folks think the younger ones are gonna decide it's cost effective to take 'em out rather than pay for their hip replacements and what not.
    That goes to show how effective scare tactics are. I am against the health care overhaul, but I am also against the lies that are being spread that are scaring the bejesus out of seniors. There is a good way to argue the issue, and it's also honest. That is the cost.
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    Re: AARP loses members over health care stance

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Actually medicare works pretty well. It's accepted most anywhere. The insured rarely ever has to get involved in billing, etc.
    Eh, not really. The government only parts of Medicare are truly ****, that's parts A & B, the private options(supplementals) work very well but can get quite pricey, depending on the companies.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: AARP loses members over health care stance

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Eh, not really. The government only parts of Medicare are truly ****, that's parts A & B, the private options(supplementals) work very well but can get quite pricey, depending on the companies.
    Truly crap compared to what? For doctors medicare sucks because it doesn't pay well. But the same is true for many HMOs.

    For patients medicare is pretty decent. This is especially true when compared to other HMOs.

    There's no "primary care dr." that a patient must see for everything.
    There's no list of drs. that are ok.
    There's no referrals needed for specialists.
    There's no deductible.
    It pays 80% I think on drs. visits.

    That's pretty decent insurance.

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    Re: AARP loses members over health care stance

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Not bitter, just pointing out the hypocrisy here.
    Except that these seniors had to pay into that system if they worked, they funded this thing even though the government wasted their contribution, we are now paying their way, but they did everything right, what you are calling hypocrisy is completely incorrect, under a UHC some of us will be paying for everyone's care, whether they contribute or not and will in fact have our own care rationed like everyone else. The difference is these seniors contributed, otherwise they wouldn't be in part A of Medicare and guess what, they have to pay a monthly premium for part B, sound socialized to you?
    If you are on socialized medicine, and at the same time screaming about how you want the government to "stay out of your Medicare", then you are either stupid or a hypocrite (which is pretty much the Republican Party's target demographic these days).
    So what does that say about someone who, to make a talking point better fit their argument, doesn't differentiate between a contributory system with very specific requirements for activation versus a UHC where everyone simply is in the system ?
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: AARP loses members over health care stance

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Actually medicare works pretty well. It's accepted most anywhere. The insured rarely ever has to get involved in billing, etc.
    It's a broken system and sucks, should be done away with along with sweeping reforms that take the crap out of the way and let doctors and patients be the prime points of costs and care.

    Any ANY TIME you have a "Guaranteed" government coverage for a service, that service is going to cost more, is going to be filled with fraud, waste and abuse.

    By Craig C. Callewart, MD
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    "You broke your neck, youíre going to live, but itís likely youíll have some problems." Several times a week, I say this to patients while Iím taking emergency room trauma call.

    Unfortunately, I must add, "I am no longer a Medicare provider," when the trauma victim is a Medicare beneficiary. "Iím covered to provide service to you during this initial hospitalization. After that, you must pay me directly without using your Medicare Part B insurance, or try to find another physician to care for you." It is unlikely that another physician will take such a high-risk case.

    This horrid situation occurs because of the unimaginable economics.

    Medicare currently pays a physician such as me $232 to manage this patient and his broken neck - not just during the hospital visit, but for the subsequent 90 days. That is less than $3 a day! Never mind that this type of case is the highest malpractice litigation risk for any human condition. When one realizes that it costs me more than $3,500 a day to run a surgical office, no one can argue that the economics are quite skewed.

    And the crisis is worsening. Half of Dallas physicians will not see any Medicare patients or new Medicare patients. This percentage is predicted to grow to 70 percent if the next round of Medicare cuts begins. Physicians already have endured a multitude of fee cuts in the past 10 years, with the actual real dollar payments being 15 percent below 1995 levels (MEI data).
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    The clock is running out for Congress to address a double-digit pay cut to physicians who care for Medicare patients. The 10.6-percent cuts will slice into the program July 1, potentially leaving many senior citizens without a doctor.

    However, one piece of legislation could stop the cuts, but it needs to pass the U.S. Senate immediately. A vote is scheduled today to begin floor consideration of Senate Bill 3101, the "Medicare Improvements for Patients and Providers Act," introduced by Senate Finance Committee Chair Max Baucus (D-MT). The bill would halt the pay cuts. The Texas Medical Association (TMA) and Texas physicians believe the reprieve will protect patients while buying time to develop a rational, long-term solution.

    If not, Medicare cuts will squeeze more doctors out of the program, so many patients will face greater difficulty finding a physician to care for them, according to the most recent TMA physician survey. Only 58 percent of Texas physicians surveyed said they accept all new Medicare patients. If the problem does not get fixed, more than 42 percent of Texas doctors would consider opting out of the Medicare program altogether.
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    Nothing is more annoying then people blindly saying something like Medicare works well cause... they HAVEN'T DONE THEIR HOMEWORK.

    It doesn't work, it's a bloated, expensive WASTE that more often then not, hurts us all.

    GET GOVERNMENT OUT OF COVERING FOR HEALTHCARE.
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    Re: AARP loses members over health care stance

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    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Truly crap compared to what? For doctors medicare sucks because it doesn't pay well. But the same is true for many HMOs.
    HMO's suck, they shouldn't even be legal, but they were created in the 70's by government legislation.....Ted Kennedy authored the bill that allowed them to exist(surprise surprise), but Medicare has a very specific pay schedule, so if you are a senior in bad health you are in potential financial crisis, Medicare pays dependent on days hospitalized and there isn't a lot of leeway, along with the fact that some doctors either quota out Medicare patients or have left the system, options aren't superior.

    For patients medicare is pretty decent. This is especially true when compared to other HMOs.
    Got ahead of myself, but the above is pretty accurate for this as well.
    There's no "primary care dr." that a patient must see for everything.
    true
    There's no list of drs. that are ok.
    As long as they agree to be in the system, however people could lose their long trusted physician simply by retiring and letting their private coverage lapse.
    There's no referrals needed for specialists.
    Not exactly, there are non-approved surgeries and some limits.
    There's no deductible.
    And there are also areas of no-coverage, there are time limits, and there is some out of pocket.
    It pays 80% I think on drs. visits.
    I don't remember, will have to look at my rate sheets again.

    That's pretty decent insurance.
    No, it really isn't, I actually know some people who stay working simply to keep their private insurance, Medicare has some really big pitfalls.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: AARP loses members over health care stance

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    So you are saying that the majority of seniors don't want "GovernmentCare". That's great. Looks like we all have a large tax cut coming as soon as we get all these seniors off their Medicare "GovernmentCare" and their Social Security "GovernmentCare" and of course lets not forget about those that are on Disability "GovernmentCare".

    It looks as though the conservative movement feels like they have hypocrisy nailed down on the moral issues so they are moving on to government programs.
    I hope they are cut and cut deep considering Medicare has done practically nothing to increase the life expectancy of elderly people and has only increased medical inflation.

    I welcome its demise with open arms.
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