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    Re: AARP loses members over health care stance

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Yeah, and the government never gives handouts do they?

    The insurance companies administer the Advantage program, which costs money. Would you like private insurance to pull completely out?
    Is Medicare a health insurance program for seniors or is it a handout to the private sector? If private insurance cannot compete in terms of cost with traditional Medicare, then yes they need to get out. Paying them 12% more only accelerates the future insolvency of the program.

    Millions of seniors prefer the Advantage program over standard medicare.
    Of course they do, because its a taxpayer handout. Who doesn't like free money? They would not prefer it if the private insurance companies billed them for the cost difference instead of just passing it on to other taxpayers.

    We have a social contract with seniors. In exchange for them working and paying FICA taxes for 40 quarters (only 10 years), they are eligible for Medicare Part A and B once they retire even though most of them will receive far more in benefits than they ever paid in. Subsidizing coverage through the private sector at a 12% greater cost to the taxpayer is not part of that deal. If they want their coverage provided through the private sector, then fine, they need to pay the difference.

    When my premiums go up every year (and a lot more than their medicare premiums at that), when medical coverage for my family is a significant burden for my family, why should I as a working taxpayer pay the 12% increase in costs to subsidize the additional costs for them to get insurance through the private sector?
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    Re: AARP loses members over health care stance

    When my premiums go up every year (and a lot more than their medicare premiums at that), when medical coverage for my family is a significant burden for my family, why should I as a working taxpayer pay the 12% increase in costs to subsidize the additional costs for them to get insurance through the private sector?
    The same reason that I shouldn't be forced to pay for a 28 y.o. single guy making $50,000/year for his government health coverage that he doesn't buy on the open market because he'd rather go out partying every weekend.
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    Re: AARP loses members over health care stance

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    The same reason that I shouldn't be forced to pay for a 28 y.o. single guys government health coverage that he doesn't buy on the open market because he'd rather go out partying every weekend.
    I agree with you. I am just pointing out the hypocrisy here in some seniors railing against socialism when they benefit more from it than any other demographic in America.
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    Re: AARP loses members over health care stance

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    The same reason that I shouldn't be forced to pay for a 28 y.o. single guy making $50,000/year for his government health coverage that he doesn't buy on the open market because he'd rather go out partying every weekend.
    You'd pay more if said person is uninsured.
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    Re: AARP loses members over health care stance

    Without using the word socialism, since Social Security and Medicare are leftist ideas borrowed from democratic/socialist countries that everyone likes so much, tell me what the hell is wrong with covering the uninsured by revamping Medicare to make it more efficient. All the while leaving all the folks who love their overpriced monopolistic policies to make their own decision. Don't say cost. Cost wasn't an issue when Bush did $1 Trillion worth of tax cuts. Cost wasn't an issue when the government added entire departments to do things like elevate terror levels to orange. Cost wasn't an issue when hawks cried out for war. And especially it isn't an issue when half of the new plan will be paid for by reforming an inefficient program like Medicare and making it BETTER. And the other half is paid for by people who have enough money and more write-off options than me. If I made 10x more than I do currently (25k/yr) I would feel honored to help the uninsured. To pay back the country that enabled me to make 250k in the first place. So please, tell me what is so wrong with HELPING PEOPLE. Bush didn't even try. He ignored the health care problem. At least we see an effort again. An effort that is up for good debate, serious discussion, and what I hope would be serious consideration.
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    Re: AARP loses members over health care stance

    Is anyone still discussing AARP's stance? The bottom line to me is that AARP has aligned itself with SEIU, an organization bent on global domination. I just clipped this from their website:
    Coming Together in Global Partnerships
    SEIU is committed to ensuring that the benefits of globalization are shared with workers and their families--not just corporate elites. Increasingly, service sector corporations are becoming multinational employers, with branches and partnerships that employ workers around the globe.
    SEIU's Global Organizing program works with partner unions and global union federations to organize these workers across borders.
    These people conspired with ACORN, a criminal enterprise, to corrupt the Nevada and other state's presidential election processes. For their efforts a huge chunk of the "stimulus package" has found it's way into their pockets. Blatent corruption in my opinion! If AARP is associated with this then I am not associated with them, and I will speak out against it at every opportunity.
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    Re: AARP loses members over health care stance

    Quote Originally Posted by LowRevs View Post
    Is anyone still discussing AARP's stance? The bottom line to me is that AARP has aligned itself with SEIU, an organization bent on global domination. I just clipped this from their website:
    Coming Together in Global Partnerships
    SEIU is committed to ensuring that the benefits of globalization are shared with workers and their families--not just corporate elites. Increasingly, service sector corporations are becoming multinational employers, with branches and partnerships that employ workers around the globe.
    SEIU's Global Organizing program works with partner unions and global union federations to organize these workers across borders.
    These people conspired with ACORN, a criminal enterprise, to corrupt the Nevada and other state's presidential election processes. For their efforts a huge chunk of the "stimulus package" has found it's way into their pockets. Blatent corruption in my opinion! If AARP is associated with this then I am not associated with them, and I will speak out against it at every opportunity.
    Corrupt nevada and other state's elections? You had contractors getting paid for registrations who turned in faulty registrations to get paid money. ACORN is required by law to turn in all voter registrations even one's they've marked questionable it is the state that is required to sort through them and toss out the invalids. Do you have proof that acorn got a "huge chunk" of the stimulus package money?

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    Re: AARP loses members over health care stance

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    AARP loses members over health care stance - USATODAY.com


    One of the largest voting blocs in the nation is doing a bit of early voting with their feet on GovernmentCare. They don't want it.

    This country is making one message loud and clear--these health care "reform" efforts are not what the people want.

    So why is the majority party ignoring the people who elected them?
    60,000 out of 40 million? What a blow! If this sort of thing happens on a monthly basis, the AARP's only got... 55 years to live!
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    Re: AARP loses members over health care stance

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Corrupt nevada and other state's elections? You had contractors getting paid for registrations who turned in faulty registrations to get paid money. ACORN is required by law to turn in all voter registrations even one's they've marked questionable it is the state that is required to sort through them and toss out the invalids. Do you have proof that acorn got a "huge chunk" of the stimulus package money?
    Perhaps you missed this....

    On Monday, Nevada officials charged Acorn, its regional director and its Las Vegas field director with submitting thousands of fraudulent voter registration forms last year. Larry Lomax, the registrar of voters in Las Vegas, says he believes 48% of Acorn's forms "are clearly fraudulent." On Thursday, prosecutors in Pittsburgh, Pa., also charged seven Acorn employees with filing hundreds of fraudulent voter registrations before last year's general election.
    Elsewhere, Washington state prosecutors fined Acorn $25,000 after several employees were convicted of voter registration fraud in 2007. The group signed a consent decree with King County (Seattle), requiring it to beef up its oversight or face criminal prosecution. In the 2008 election, Acorn's practices led to investigations, some ongoing, in 14 other states.
    More Acorn Voter Fraud Comes to Light - WSJ.com

    Or this?

    Obama’s Bill Hands ACORN $5.2 Billion Bailout

    Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:06 PM

    By: David A. Patten




    A rising chorus of GOP leaders are protesting that the blockbuster Democratic stimulus package would provide up to a whopping $5.2 billion for ACORN, the left-leaning nonprofit group under federal investigation for massive voter fraud.

    Most of the money is secreted away under an item in the now $836 billion package titled “Neighborhood Stabilization Programs.”

    Ordinarily, neighborhood stabilization funds are distributed to local governments. But revised language in the stimulus bill would make the funds available directly to non-profit entities such as ACORN, the low-income housing organization whose pro-Democrat voter-registration activities have been blasted by Republicans. ACORN is cited by some for tipping the scales in the Democrats' favor in November.

    According to Fox news, Sen. David Vitter, R-La., could appear to be a “payoff” for community groups’ partisan political activities in the last election cycle.
    Newsmax.com - Obama’s Bill Hands ACORN $5.2 Billion Bailout

    One would think you were a lib at heart, not a centrist... what planet have you been living on in the last year?

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    Re: AARP loses members over health care stance

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Perhaps you missed this....





    More Acorn Voter Fraud Comes to Light - WSJ.com

    Or this?



    Newsmax.com - Obama’s Bill Hands ACORN $5.2 Billion Bailout

    One would think you were a lib at heart, not a centrist... what planet have you been living on in the last year?

    Lib at heart? I try dealing with the facts. Again I ask how exactly they corrupted the election? What you have mostly is people filing fraudulent voter registration forms to get paid. So how exactly can someone corrupt an election when it would take actual people going to the polls under those names and voting.

    Also your article states according to GOP sources the bill could provide money to acorn. So again I ask you do you have proof that they actually got money from the stimulus bill?

    I live on the planet earth in the united states of america which planet do you spend most of your time? It's obviously not here if you think newsmax is a reliable source. Why not quote the john birch society while you're at it?

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