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    Re: President Obama takes the stage at VFW convention in Phoenix

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    You are the only one who has brought up race, and are apparently the only one who cares about it in this thread.
    In this thread, yes, but, you said, "always". I challenge you to prove that I, "always", play the race card. We'll be waiting for you live up to your own standard for a change.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: President Obama takes the stage at VFW convention in Phoenix

    Waitin' on ya, brother.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: President Obama takes the stage at VFW convention in Phoenix

    Did anyeone see the pic in the article?

    The guy carrying the gun was a black man.

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    Re: President Obama takes the stage at VFW convention in Phoenix

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    You ignored several aspects of my post and the overall point I was driving at. Maybe I didn't phrase the questions in a clear enough manner.

    Your position on this does not account for a reasonable purpose or need to carry a semi-automatic riffle around in a city public area. Yes, it may be his legal right to do so, but why do that?
    YOU may find no 'purpose' or 'need' in his LEGAL exercise of his 2A right.
    That YOU do not find those things means nothing.

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    Re: President Obama takes the stage at VFW convention in Phoenix

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    So the major difference between naming it as an assault rifle and a normal rifle is that "assault rifle" is a liberal scare tactic?
    At worst. At best, its just another example of a reporter not having any idea what he's talking about. Either way, the term used was unquestionably wrong.

    And bringing a loaded gun of any type to a crowded area in protest of a hated and feared President (for one subset of the population) won't provoke fear?
    If it did, the person doing it could be arrested for disturbing the peace, etc.
    Did that happen?

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    Re: President Obama takes the stage at VFW convention in Phoenix

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, an AR-15, or any variant of, is an assault rifle. It's an assault rifle, because of it's capability to use a high capacity magazine; 20, 30, 40 rounds.
    This is so VERY incorrect.

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    Re: President Obama takes the stage at VFW convention in Phoenix

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's not true. Most civilian variants of the M-16 come with the reciever already milled out to accept an automatic sear.
    That's odd, as I have seen scores of these rifles, none of which have the machining you mention. I know none of mine have it, nor any of those of anyone I know.

    Perhaps you could provide a source for this?

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    Re: President Obama takes the stage at VFW convention in Phoenix

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    That's odd, as I have seen scores of these rifles, none of which have the machining you mention. I know none of mine have it, nor any of those of anyone I know.

    Perhaps you could provide a source for this?
    Most of the rifles I've seen that were manufactured in the past 7, or 8 years have milled receivers. Are 100% of the AR-15 style rifles milled to accept an automatic sear? Of course not, but by the same token not all of them have solid receivers, either. I've seen Bushmasters, Colts, S&W's, Armalite and Double Star brand rifles that were milled. I'm not sure about DPMS and Olympia.

    I know a guy that has an automatic sear and for $100 will install it your rifle and let you fire a few rounds on rock-n-roll. he's licensed to own it, of course.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: President Obama takes the stage at VFW convention in Phoenix

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Most of the rifles I've seen that were manufactured in the past 7, or 8 years have milled receivers. Are 100% of the AR-15 style rifles milled to accept an automatic sear? Of course not, but by the same token not all of them have solid receivers, either. I've seen Bushmasters, Colts, S&W's, Armalite and Double Star brand rifles that were milled. I'm not sure about DPMS and Olympia.
    Perhaps you could provide a source for this?

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    Re: President Obama takes the stage at VFW convention in Phoenix

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Couples of any sexual orientation need to be mindful and respectful of their surroundings when displaying affection for one another.

    I know that gay is not contagious so gay pride demonstrations don't bother me. Harmless self-expression. My children are only going to be more tolerant by learning that some people are just naturally different.

    Re: Pro-Choice, I'm not sure what you're saying. Usually the people displaying inappropriate depictions of abortions are pro-life. I've never known a pro-choice activists to use graphic descriptions of abortions to win people over. So, could you be more specific?
    So, it doesn't bother you when the pro-choice guys run into churches or rally's for pro-life screaming stupid **** and being obnoxious?

    Doesn't bother you when they disrupt peaceful protests, etc..etc?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post

    There's no reasoning with you. By freaking people out, he did more to hurt the public perception of gun owners. You want to win people over. Let mature, reasonable people who understand and appreciate the concerns of the unarmed public be your representative. Not wingnuts trying to make a point and misfiring all the way.



    If they have a carry permit and legitimate need to be armed, sure, it's all good as long as they follow the law.

    See, in Wyoming, I don't even think they need guns laws. Those people are smart and sensible and can police themselves as far as firearms. But in New York City and Los Angeles, gun regs should be draconian. I want anyone in L.A. county purchasing ammo to leave a fingerprint. I want the California carry permits to be strictly regulated. People who don't live in one of three or four really big cities with diverse populations really don't get it. There are more people in L.A. and Manhattan than in some states. Your gun laws will not work for us.

    You could fit roughly 3 Maricopa County's (which is surrounded by desert) into 1 L.A. county which is surrounded by Orange and Ventura County. That jackass would have been shot dead if he tried a stunt like that in L.A. or NYC.

    The Thune amendment was thankfully shot down this July--it would have lowered all state gun laws to the lowest common denominator.
    To be honest, we're at this again... I have no obligation to give you a reason, or justification for using my rights. How hard is this to grasp?

    btw, if gun regs really work.. why is LA so violent? Why is Washington DC so violent? Why are the places with the most draconian gun laws in the nation the most violent? (I'm willing to bet you come back with "population", "race", or "societal structure" as one of your excuses).



    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Funny, you started this post with examples of people, Gays and Pro-Choice, who should moderate themselves in your presence. Your examples were a particular speech or personal expression that you feel infringes on your space.

    What I'm talking about is the carrying of a lethal weapon, a rifle, into a public space for no other purpose than to press your rights. How can you not see the very big difference?
    Carrying an inanimate object that requires intervention by a user to do anything. Without a human to pull the trigger a rifle does nothing.

    My point was, even though I don't agree with some of the **** they spew.. It's not within my rights to take their rights away.. even if it makes me uncomfortable.

    period.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, an AR-15, or any variant of, is an assault rifle. It's an assault rifle, because of it's capability to use a high capacity magazine; 20, 30, 40 rounds.

    Now, if the Libbos are successful in completely eradicating box magazines that are capable of holding more than 5 rounds, it's no longer an assault rifle.
    Incorrect:

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle]Assault rifle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


    Quote Originally Posted by Assault rifle definition
    The term assault rifle is a translation of the German word Sturmgewehr (literally meaning "storm rifle"), "storm" used as a verb being synonymous with assault, as in "to storm the compound." The name was coined by Adolf Hitler[1] to describe the Maschinenpistole 44, subsequently re-christened Sturmgewehr 44, the firearm generally considered the first true assault rifle that served to popularize the concept.

    The translation assault rifle gradually became the common term for similar firearms sharing the same technical definition as the StG 44. In a strict definition, a firearm must have at least the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle:[2][3][4]

    * It must be an individual weapon with provision to fire from the shoulder (i.e. a buttstock);
    * It must be capable of selective fire;
    * It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle;
    * Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable box magazine.

    Rifles that meet most of these criteria, but not all, are technically not assault rifles despite frequently being considered as such. For example, semi-automatic-only rifles that share designs with assault rifles such as the AR-15 (which the M-16 rifle is based on) are not assault rifles, as they are not capable of switching to automatic fire and thus not selective fire. Belt-fed weapons (such as the M249 SAW) or rifles with fixed magazines are likewise not assault rifles because they do not have detachable box magazines.

    The term "assault rifle" is often more loosely used for commercial or political reasons to include other types of arms, particularly arms that fall under a strict definition of the battle rifle, or semi-automatic variant of military rifles such as AR-15s

    The US Army defines assault rifles as "short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachinegun and rifle cartridges."[5]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Perhaps you could provide a source for this?
    Of course he can't... it'll be "I heard it from a friend of a friend of a friend."
    George Washington didn't use his freedom of speech to win the war with Britain... He shot them.

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