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    Re: President Obama takes the stage at VFW convention in Phoenix

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    It matters very much, because at the heart of this issue for me.. is there are people like Kernel Sanders who for all intensive purposes do not understand the differences.

    Combine that with the push in the media about all the violence and how they've generally ALWAYS got people on there telling everyone that guns are to blame.

    They're spreading misinformation in hopes of making people believe it who either don't understand or just believe it out of the sheer numbers of incorrect reports such as this.
    Most people do not need to know the difference. I know the difference, but not out of any real interest.

    This reporter was not really spreading misinformation. He made a minor goof in a story on an entirely different topic. It is not going to effect the gun debate, it is not going to have any impact at all really. Besides, what do you care what some one says? Guns are a right, period. There is no need to justify, or even argue about weather guns are good or bad.

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    Re: President Obama takes the stage at VFW convention in Phoenix

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Most people do not need to know the difference. I know the difference, but not out of any real interest.

    This reporter was not really spreading misinformation. He made a minor goof in a story on an entirely different topic. It is not going to effect the gun debate, it is not going to have any impact at all really. Besides, what do you care what some one says? Guns are a right, period. There is no need to justify, or even argue about weather guns are good or bad.


    It isn't a minor goof when it's done all the time.

    Sorry, but you're not going to convince anyone that the systematic villification of firearms in the media is something other than just that.
    George Washington didn't use his freedom of speech to win the war with Britain... He shot them.

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    Re: President Obama takes the stage at VFW convention in Phoenix

    A semi-automatic rifle is not an assault rifle... because it's ancestors were... That's some messed up logic.
    Its not an ancestor, its the same damn gun with one small change. The Ar-15 was built and designed as an assault rifle and then modified to strip its semi-automatic function away for legal reasons. Semi-automatic assault rifle is a functional term than describes the weapon, if not fitting some perfect definition.

    Assault rifle only exists as a term because Hitler hated submachine guns so they needed to invent some term to get a new weapon approved. Getting all up in arms about it is pointless.

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    Re: President Obama takes the stage at VFW convention in Phoenix

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Its not an ancestor, its the same damn gun with one small change. The Ar-15 was built and designed as an assault rifle and then modified to strip its semi-automatic function away for legal reasons. Semi-automatic assault rifle is a functional term than describes the weapon, if not fitting some perfect definition.

    Assault rifle only exists as a term because Hitler hated submachine guns so they needed to invent some term to get a new weapon approved. Getting all up in arms about it is pointless.
    You deny that the current revision of the ar15 is different than the previous ones?

    That would make it an ancestor of an older rifle... would it not?

    Getting all up in arms about the media villifying an inanimate object isn't pointless... when they're drumming up reasons for giving our current government political capita for trying to take them from law abiding citizens.
    George Washington didn't use his freedom of speech to win the war with Britain... He shot them.

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    Re: President Obama takes the stage at VFW convention in Phoenix

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Its not an ancestor, its the same damn gun with one small change. The Ar-15 was built and designed as an assault rifle and then modified to strip its semi-automatic function away for legal reasons.
    You better look at that again.

    Semi-automatic assault rifle is a functional term than describes the weapon, if not fitting some perfect definition.
    You mean except for being correct.

    You're arguing that its OK to refer to the AR15 is an assault rifle because it LOOK like an assault rifle. This is as stupid as arguing its OK to refer to some black guy is a gang banger because he LOOKS like one.

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    Re: President Obama takes the stage at VFW convention in Phoenix

    You better look at that again.
    The AR-15 was the name of the armalite product for the rifle that was designated the m16 in U.S. military service. I can source it if you really want.

    You're arguing that its OK to refer to the AR15 is an assault rifle because it LOOK like an assault rifle. This is as stupid as arguing its OK to refer to some black guy is a gang banger because he LOOKS like one.
    The AR-15 doesn't look like an assault rifle, it is one barring a small technical change.

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    Re: President Obama takes the stage at VFW convention in Phoenix

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The AR-15 was the name of the armalite product for the rifle that was designated the m16 in U.S. military service. I can source it if you really want.



    The AR-15 doesn't look like an assault rifle, it is one barring a small technical change.
    The difference between select fire and semi-automatic only.. is a very large difference..

    Just an fyi.
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    Re: President Obama takes the stage at VFW convention in Phoenix

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The AR-15 was the name of the armalite product for the rifle that was designated the m16 in U.S. military service. I can source it if you really want.
    YOU said:

    The Ar-15 was built and designed as an assault rifle and then modified to strip its semi-automatic function away for legal reasons.
    As I said: You better look at that again.

    The AR-15 doesn't look like an assault rifle, it is one barring a small technical change.
    You mean how like a man is a woman, save for one small technical change.
    Gotcha.

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    Re: President Obama takes the stage at VFW convention in Phoenix

    The difference between select fire and semi-automatic only.. is a very large difference..
    Making an ar-15 into a fully automatic weapon requires a bit of fiddling around with the sear. From a technical perspective it is a fairly minor change.

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    Re: President Obama takes the stage at VFW convention in Phoenix

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Making an ar-15 into a fully automatic weapon requires a bit of fiddling around with the sear. From a technical perspective it is a fairly minor change.

    If you were talking about an ak47, one might be inclined to believe you... But I rather enjoy having my face / head all in one piece.


    gl with that.
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