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    Former Gov. Dean calls public option indispensable

    Former Gov. Dean calls public option indispensable

    Former Gov. Dean calls public option indispensable - Yahoo! News

    The former Vermont governor was asked on NBC's "Meet the Press" about President Barack Obama's statement over the weekend that the public option for insurance coverage was "just a sliver" of the overall proposal. Obama's health and human services secretary, Kathleen Sebelius, advanced that line, telling CNN Sunday that a direct government role in a system intended to provide virtually universal coverage was "not the essential element."

    Dean argued that a public option is fair and said there must be such a choice in any genuine shake up of the existing system.

    "You can't really do health reform without it," he said. Dean maintained that the health insurance industry has "put enormous pressure on patients and doctors" in recent years.



    This fight is not between republicans and democrats. It's between left wing democrats and center-left democrats. The Republicans could not stop this bill if they wanted to.

    This fight, and if it gets done or does not get done, will be on the backs of the democrats.

    Its a lose lose situation here for them. on one hand, if it passes, watered down, the blame will be on some democrats, if it passes with the public option, you can be sure, that many of these center-left democrats will lose thier seats.

    If the whole thing fails as the majority of Americans now wish, it will be seen as a failure of the Obama administration.


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    Re: Former Gov. Dean calls public option indispensable

    The one key statistic the liberals ignore, to their detriment:

    86% of Americans like the health care and health insurance they have.

    The moment the conversation turned seriously towards disturbing that, people got righteously upset.

    The only ones who did not see that coming were the liberals.

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    Re: Former Gov. Dean calls public option indispensable

    This is true CL, but this is beyond that. We have been led to believe (not you and I) that this is a fight between republicans and democrats... in fact the fight is and always has been between democrats...


    So if we devide this struggle into 3 factions, the Obama admin has a lot a trouble ahead of it.
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    Re: Former Gov. Dean calls public option indispensable

    I just saw an interview with a democratic senator, and he said the public option doesn't now have, nor will it ever have enough votes in the senate to pass.

    It's DOA, so why is the president and the far left democrats still pushing this?

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    Re: Former Gov. Dean calls public option indispensable

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    This is true CL, but this is beyond that. We have been led to believe (not you and I) that this is a fight between republicans and democrats... in fact the fight is and always has been between democrats...


    So if we devide this struggle into 3 factions, the Obama admin has a lot a trouble ahead of it.
    There's at least three factions:

    There's the "party loyalists" who will do anything to deliver a nominal "win". They could care less about the content of the bill, just that it will get the votes. Mostly these seem to be ex-Clintonistas.

    There's the Progressive cadre, who believe that only single-payer, government run health care can do any good at all, and everything else is just plain offensive.

    There's the Blue Dogs, who want government to do good things, but not at the expense of an unbalanced budget. Their appetite for government is constrained by the purse.

    Their political problem is that the White House has failed to make common cause with any of these groups. For all of Rahmbo's working Capitol Hill, the Administration still has no plan prototype on which Congress can hang its hat. Without that anchor--an aspect of the legislative process that the Executive Branch does very well--the Congressional committees are doing what committees do: pastiche ideas together in various and sundry compromise schemes that are predicated more on Congressmen appeasing their own constituencies rather than achieving specific legislative end.

    This late in the political process is way too late to sit down to make peace with any of these factions. It is the ultimate irony: by failing to use his political capital early on health care, Dear Leader may not be able to use it at all.

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    Re: Former Gov. Dean calls public option indispensable

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    I just saw an interview with a democratic senator, and he said the public option doesn't now have, nor will it ever have enough votes in the senate to pass.

    It's DOA, so why is the president and the far left democrats still pushing this?

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    They have no choice. Once they throw the towel in, they're legislatively over and done with. Not only will health care not be reformed along their lines, but the entire liberal legislative agenda is a dead duck. By the time the dust settles from the resulting internecine war that will erupt, the Republicans will likely have a firm if not controlling hand in one or both Houses of Congress.

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    Re: Former Gov. Dean calls public option indispensable

    i think you forgot one "faction"......the non party loyalist dems who believe a public option is important, along with private choice and genuine reform. many moderates believe that as well. most polls i've seen have very carefully worded questions, and many people who are against a public option have been frightened into believing that would be their ONLY option.

    as with clinton, the same parties have done an excellent job of scaring the crap out of the public, and those who know that should ashamed. i still have yet to see rational debate on this subject.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Former Gov. Dean calls public option indispensable

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i think you forgot one "faction"......the non party loyalist dems who believe a public option is important, along with private choice and genuine reform. many moderates believe that as well. most polls i've seen have very carefully worded questions, and many people who are against a public option have been frightened into believing that would be their ONLY option.

    as with clinton, the same parties have done an excellent job of scaring the crap out of the public, and those who know that should ashamed. i still have yet to see rational debate on this subject.



    You can't keep blaming others for your parties failures. People were always wary of a public option, we all have been to the dmv after all...


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    Re: Former Gov. Dean calls public option indispensable

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i think you forgot one "faction"......the non party loyalist dems who believe a public option is important, along with private choice and genuine reform. many moderates believe that as well. most polls i've seen have very carefully worded questions, and many people who are against a public option have been frightened into believing that would be their ONLY option.

    as with clinton, the same parties have done an excellent job of scaring the crap out of the public, and those who know that should ashamed. i still have yet to see rational debate on this subject.
    Except the "public option" is too expensive, that's why it hasn't the votes.

    We all ready have private choice, and most Americans are HAPPY with their choices.


    And real reform would focus on the areas that are causing problems...

    Take Texas for example, we passed Tort Reform, and now have a backlog of doctors trying to move to the state and get certified. That was reform that helped everyone (except lawyers)... and has been a good move.
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    Re: Former Gov. Dean calls public option indispensable

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Except the "public option" is too expensive, that's why it hasn't the votes.
    That and the fact that all one has to do is look at other examples of a "public option"--that's a scare tactic all on its own.

    I am still amazed that Dear Leader made reference to the USPS--now there's an encouraging model for both health insurance and health care.

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