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White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

The party out of power tends to be clearer about such things.

I disagree. During the Bush presidency (the part where all three branches belonged to the Republicans) a foreigner could be forgiven for thinking that the party in the minority holds literally no power at all. Now, however, a foreigner could be forgiven for thinking that whoever holds the majority, the Republicans are always in charge. And why? Because neither party controls the government -- the lobbyists do. So conservatives across countless forums are probably congratulating themselves on a job well done because of those town meeting disruptions, but they should be sure to send the really expensive flowers to Health Insurance lobbyists first and foremost.
 
Of course, it should be noted that the White House can't drop anything from legislation.
 
The reason Obama is thinking of okaying a bill without a public option is that he probably would not have been able to get it through the Senate. I doubt he has 60 Senators backing him ready to vote down a philibuster. This is his way of compromise.

And remember, nothing is formal until Congress get's back from recess.

Also, I heard an idea that while I don't know enough about yet to out-right support, sounds like an interesting alternative to a Public Option. It would basically be a non-profit insurance company seperate from the government. They would get public funding to help them get off the ground, but they would be by themselves after that.
 
The reason Obama is thinking of okaying a bill without a public option is that he probably would not have been able to get it through the Senate. I doubt he has 60 Senators backing him ready to vote down a philibuster. This is his way of compromise.

And remember, nothing is formal until Congress get's back from recess.

Also, I heard an idea that while I don't know enough about yet to out-right support, sounds like an interesting alternative to a Public Option. It would basically be a non-profit insurance company seperate from the government. They would get public funding to help them get off the ground, but they would be by themselves after that.

well if the last year has taught us anything, its that we need more GSE's LOL :lol:
 
A president who can compromise and admit when he is wrong is better than one who doggedly sticks to his view and doesn't give others a look in.

He should've admitted he was wrong long before he looked at his sinking poll numbers.
 
Untill there is more detail about this non public-plan healthcare, or the current healthcare plans, I don't see how Obama is giving into anything by considering different programs. As long as they accomplish what he wants, of lower costs and insuring more people, then he is sticking with his goal.

I think it is very good that Obama seems to be concerned with getting a good end result to healthcare reform, and is less concerned about which plan will be used to achieve that.
 
Back to square one. :confused:

<Administration Official: "Sebelius Misspoke.">

<An administration official said tonight that Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius "misspoke" when she told CNN this morning that a government run health insurance option "is not an essential part" of reform. This official asked not to be identified in exchange for providing clarity about the intentions of the President. The official said that the White House did not intend to change its messaging and that Sebelius simply meant to echo the president, who has acknowledged that the public option is a tough sell in the Senate and is, at the same time, a must-pass for House Democrats, and is not, in the president's view, the most important element of the reform package.

A second official, Linda Douglass, director of health reform communications for the administration, said that President Obama believed that a public option was the best way to reduce costs and promote competition among insurance companies, that he had not backed away from that belief, and that he still wanted to see a public option in the final bill.>

Administration Official: "Sebelius Misspoke." - The Atlantic Politics Channel
 
Back to square one. :confused:

<Administration Official: "Sebelius Misspoke.">

<An administration official said tonight that Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius "misspoke" when she told CNN this morning that a government run health insurance option "is not an essential part" of reform. This official asked not to be identified in exchange for providing clarity about the intentions of the President. The official said that the White House did not intend to change its messaging and that Sebelius simply meant to echo the president, who has acknowledged that the public option is a tough sell in the Senate and is, at the same time, a must-pass for House Democrats, and is not, in the president's view, the most important element of the reform package.
Hmm.....walking back the walk back.

Sounds like Dear Leader's getting an earful from both sides in the Anti-Republican civil war.

This doesn't help him. In fact, it's worse than if he'd just stuck to his guns on the public option in the first place. The John Kerry two-step of being for the public option after being against it, but that was only after he was for it, does not look anything remotely like someone who's in control of either the message or even his own messengers.

Regardless of what one believes about the merits and demerits of the public option, this makes the White House appear disorganized and chaotic on healthcare.
 
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Untill there is more detail about this non public-plan healthcare, or the current healthcare plans, I don't see how Obama is giving into anything by considering different programs. As long as they accomplish what he wants, of lower costs and insuring more people, then he is sticking with his goal.

I think it is very good that Obama seems to be concerned with getting a good end result to healthcare reform, and is less concerned about which plan will be used to achieve that.

If the house had passed, and the senate approved the bill as is they were pushing he would have signed it.

Without blinking an eye. NEVER forget that.
 
she said it
she said it not
she said it
she said it not...

the point---she said it, ms sebelius

and even if she didn't, it's dead

the public option is dead

it's replacement is CO OP, washington's newest buzzword

because, mr conrad, key player in baucus' gateway, senate finance, leader of the blue contingent of the Ubiquitous Six, said this morning on fns---"we don't have the votes for a public option, we never had the votes for a public option"

they never had the votes for a public option

thus, it doesn't really matter what ms hhs says

except, the white house looks so stupid

and petal pulling little-girlish

the option's dead
the option's alive
the option's dead...

baucus has been trying to tell the white house since mid june---the votes for public option don't exist

the mathematician, elmendorf, cbo boss, has been saying since july 16---the numbers just aren't there for public option

ms mccaskill on tuesday just to get outta the gym alive had to scream at the top of her microphone to be heard---IT'S NOT ON THE TABLE, IT'S NOT GONNA BE ON THE TABLE

conrad, dorgan, lincoln, landrieu, mccaskill, both nelsons, bayh, quite a few others---they will NOT vote for a public option, i guarantee it, i watch these things very close

quit SWEATING it---the public option is dead

move on to CO OP's

the white house already has

they might SAY this or that, they may even hold a pretty rally

(actually he's going on vacation now for 10 days)

but dick durbin said it last sunday---the WHIP from illinois is "open" to "cutting" the option

there ya go

so, health care sans option, what's that look like?

that's what you need ask yourself

i'll tell you soon the answer

in the meantime, know this---the LEFT is gonna throw quite a TANTRUM

cliff
 
in the meantime, know this---the LEFT is gonna throw quite a TANTRUM
That they will.....that they will.

Indeed, some are already starting to do just that:
White House backs away from public health care option - Carrie Budoff Brown - POLITICO.com
One diarist on the Daily Kos said the “public option is in the ICU. ... When you call something that once was the central tenet of reform is now a ‘sliver,’ it is very difficult to argue it is not being de-emphasized.” Another diarist wrote this headline: “Told you so: Public Option, Meet Underside of Bus.”
 
Hmm.....walking back the walk back.

Sounds like Dear Leader's getting an earful from both sides in the Anti-Republican civil war.

This doesn't help him. In fact, it's worse than if he'd just stuck to his guns on the public option in the first place. The John Kerry two-step of being for the public option after being against it, but that was only after he was for it, does not look anything remotely like someone who's in control of either the message or even his own messengers.

Regardless of what one believes about the merits and demerits of the public option, this makes the White House appear disorganized and chaotic on healthcare.
I guess Sebelius drew the short straw on that one. I bet she's happy the administration chose her to throw under the bus.
 
I guess Sebelius drew the short straw on that one. I bet she's happy the administration chose her to throw under the bus.
I'm waiting for when it's Rahm's turn to get treadmarks on his back. Which, from what I'm seeing in the papers, may be happening sooner rather than later.
 
This is ridiculous.

If they go ahead with this, they are ignoring people and acting like they can do what they wish.
If Dems then revise their options in the face of a public backlash or dissatisfaction with what is being offered and seek to find a common ground. The Republicans and protestors were right. This move should be welcomed by those who opposed him previously.

In my view, this makes Obama even more likeable if he is willing to back down and change his stance. That is a quality found very rarely amongst politicans.

...except that this is PRECISELY what he ran on, and he's backing down. Without the public option in place, he's basically surrendered the bill entirely.

Same with Gitmo, and pretty much everthing else. Obama's whiffing at everything except bailing out banks and auto companies. Not too popular with the folks on either side.
 
2 sundays ago it was treas secty geithner and director of econ council summers

they went on mtp and ftn and BOTH said tax increases on middle classers must be looked at

THAT lasted 24 hours before press secty gibbs on the monday, under food fight conditions before the corps, RAN away from that one

now it's hhs

upshot---this white house just does not have a clue

put it this way---the public option, at best, is in big trouble, a really tuff sell

in congress, specifically, not just to the public at large

but in the senate, now

so the prez sends out his ms sebelius to say, nah, we aint'a gonna go there

then a couple hours later, oh, i misspoke

don't you think that makes it a little harder on poor ms mccaskill?

remember, mrs missouri had to go out and face the MOB

while the CHIN in chief got to play michael jackson's funeral before fawning followers in cool air conditioned portsmouth

LOL!

the most INCOMPETENT politician at the national level america has ever seen
 
Thank goodness! I was hoping all this talk of socialism, beauracracy, death panels, and blessed insurance companies was going to eventually lead to folks forgetting that there are still 44,000,000 people without insurance who need an option. It's a shame they are only 44m voters. Too bad.
 
I'm so happy, capitalism gets to live to see another day! As long as the Public Option is off the table, Capitalism wins. Capitalism wins!
 
Thank goodness! I was hoping all this talk of socialism, beauracracy, death panels, and blessed insurance companies was going to eventually lead to folks forgetting that there are still 44,000,000 people without insurance who need an option. It's a shame they are only 44m voters. Too bad.
That is such a fun lie, isn't it? :roll:
 
DR. EZEKIEL EMMANUEL, "HEALTH CARE CZAR".


The proposed healthcare bills now in development in both houses of congress will all ultimately put the decisions about your care and your longevity in the hands of presidential appointees, Czars who were never elected nor confirmed. They are deciding what plans will cover, how much independence your doctor can have and what treatments and care senior citizens and the very young deserve. Medicare will eventually become a thing of the past.

At least two of President Obama's top health advisers should never be trusted with that much power. One of them is Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, the brother of President Obama’s Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. Dr Emauel has already been appointed to two very important positions: health-policy adviser at the Office of Management and Budget and a member of Federal Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research. Emanuel has already warned the American public that the reductions in care for the very young and elderly will not be free of pain. Read Dr. Emanuel’s words below:

"Vague promises of savings from cutting waste, enhancing prevention and wellness, installing electronic medical records and improving quality are merely 'lipstick' cost control, more for show and public relations than for true change," (Health Affairs Feb. 27, 2008).

He has stated that savings would require that doctors change how they think about their patients: He believes that doctors take the Hippocratic Oath too seriously, "as an imperative to do everything for the patient regardless of the cost or effects on others" (Journal of the American Medical Association, June 18, 2008).


Yes, that may be what you want your doctor to do, but Dr. Emanuel wants doctors to look at the bigger picture and not just at the needs of their patients and consider social justice, such as whether the money could be better spent on somebody else. I would imagine that that most doctors are shocked and worried by the belief that a doctor's job is to achieve social justice one patient at a time.

Emanuel, however, believes that "communitarianism" (another word for Socialist) should dictate decisions on who gets care. He insists that medical care should be limited for the non-disabled, not given to those "who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens . . . as he felt similarly about not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia" (Hastings Center Report, Nov.-Dec. '96). That means that care to a grandmother with Alzheimer’s, Parkinson's or to a child with capacity issue like cerebral palsy should be seriously limited at best.

He unambiguously supports, defends, and encourages discrimination against older patients: "Unlike allocation by sex or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination; every person lives through different life stages rather than being a single age. Even if 25-year-olds receive priority over 65-year-olds, everyone who is 65 years now was previously 25 years" (Lancet, Jan. 31).

Dr. Emanuel has revealed his malicious and dictatorial ideas of his plan over several years and he published it in the January, 2009 issue (Volume 373, Issue 9661) of The Lancet. Here are some excerpts from the article follow:

"Some people wrongly suggest that allocation can be based purely on scientific or clinical facts, often using the term “medical need”. There are no value-free medical criteria for allocation.

Consideration of the importance of complete lives also supports modifying the youngest-first principle by prioritizing adolescents and young adults over infants. Adolescents have received substantial education and parental care, investments that will be wasted without a complete life. Infants, by contrast, have not yet received these investments. Similarly, adolescence brings with it a developed personality capable of forming and valuing long-term plans whose fulfillment requires a complete life.


When implemented, the complete lives system produces a priority curve on which individuals aged between roughly 15 and 40 years get the most substantial chance, whereas the youngest and oldest people get chances that are attenuated.


Unlike allocation by sex or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination; every person lives through different life stages rather than being a single age. Even if 25-year-olds receive priority over 65-year-olds, everyone who is 65 years now was previously 25 years. Treating 65-year-olds differently because of stereotypes or falsehoods would be ageist; treating them differently because they have already had more life-years is not."
 
Fine Coronado. ONE person in America cannot afford health insurance. So we let him or her die. That is ok. They should have been better at capitalism.
 
Fine Coronado. ONE person in America cannot afford health insurance. So we let him or her die. That is ok. They should have been better at capitalism.
Google "Medicaid" and get back to me. Thanks.
 
dr emanuel, brother of the ram, is obviously a complete whacko

no one really believes he'd ever be able to implement the theories he writes for the textbooks people like obama study at places like harvard

cuz the good doctor would never be able to get away with it

in america

as of now

maybe sometime far down the road he could

but not today

even to try would be POLITICAL suicide

and THAT's the point

so the population-control opinions of the ram's brother are not really indicative of anything REAL to worry about

but they ARE extremely REVEALING of the MIND of obama

i mean, WHO would pick doctor malthusian in the first place?

for ANYTHING?

only the worst politician at the national level america has ever seen

that's who

unbelievably bad politics

dr emanuel

do you know about the the ram's father, benjamin?

Rahm Emanuel’s Father Problem - Swampland - TIME.com
 
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Exactly TheProf...and my father was an abusive alcoholic, so you know what that inherently makes me? How is that even adherent to the debate. Oh, because of that scare tactics thread.
 
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