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    Re: White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    How do people against some or all of the proposed health care reform bill reconcile the difference between the ambulance and the doctor? Emergency services, fire, police, paramedics, etc. are socialized in our country.
    There is a fundamental difference between the government protecting your rights - i.e. military, police and fire department - and providing you the means to exercise those rights.

    We actually had to pass laws to make it illegal for emergency rooms to refuse care to those with an immediate need.
    Yes. Inanely silly, forcing people to provide goods and services for free.

    There was a time (and maybe this still goes on) where ambulance drivers asked what kind of insurance you have. How did it come to that?
    The novel idea that you should get paid for the work that you do?
    When did that idea die?

    No founding father or free-market capitalist would ever support that kind of morally reprehensible behavior, but some how it went on.
    On the contrary -- ALL of them would expect that people receive compenation for the goods and services they provide.
    When did that idea die?
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    Re: White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    Fine Coronado. ONE person in America cannot afford health insurance. So we let him or her die. That is ok. They should have been better at capitalism.
    That one person can walk into any hospital in the United States and get the care they need. No one is turned away; that's the truth Obama and his lying liberals want to acknowledge.

    Obama doesn't give a crap about the one person you describe either. He just wants to control that person's healthcare so he can control his voting pattern.

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    Re: White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

    Anyone who is under the impression this is at ALL about healtchcare just doesn't get it..

    This is 100%, non-negotiable growth of government.. does ANYONE here think this is about providing healthcare??... NOPE it is about one of the biggest Progressive Power grabs...

    Nothing Progressives do is about the People.. it is all about power, from Bush's Patriot Act to BO's healthcare. I you think for a single minute the progressives care the tiniest amount about your health you are dangerously naive!

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    Re: White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

    Quote Originally Posted by ConservaBill View Post
    Anyone who is under the impression this is at ALL about healtchcare just doesn't get it..

    This is 100%, non-negotiable growth of government.. does ANYONE here think this is about providing healthcare??... NOPE it is about one of the biggest Progressive Power grabs...
    Of course it is.
    Like the New Deal and the Great Society, its about empowering the Democratic party, all on the backs of the American taxpayer -- preferably the rich, but the middle class will do as well.

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    Re: White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

    every word that comes out of a liberal's mouth is an excuse for increased gov't activity

    raison d'etre---reason for existence

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    15. Obamacare still FINES individuals, still CUTS MEDICARE AND MEDICAID, still covers ILLEGALS, still changes public funding of ABORTION, still bends the COST CURVE the wrong way, still taxes BENEFITS (the McCain plan), still looks to END OF LIFE COSTS for scary savings...

    On the "illegals", this problem, If it is a problem, can be solved by fining the wealthy farmers who employ them.
    They come to our nation in search of work - and there seems to be plenty here.
    Wall are senseless.
    On Health Care.
    Greed is the problem.
    Others may know how to solve this, I do not.
    I am, however, thinking of higher taxes, causing the wealthy to cry, no sympathy here.
    On "end of life medical costs", should a man , 75 years of age, be given a new heart ?
    Contraversial and I say NO!
    But, this I kn, ow, a man must have a living will, and he, not the doctors, must determine when he dies.

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    Re: White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Yes. Inanely silly, forcing people to provide goods and services for free.
    Okay, Goobieman, if you want to defend that position, let's hear it.

    In the context of my post, did you understand what we're talking about? People with a critical medical need being turned away from emergency rooms or dying on the way to the public 'free' hospital. That practice has been outlawed, to my knowledge.

    But tell us, why do think it is right for Doctors/Hospitals to refuse to care and stabilize a critical patient?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    That one person can walk into any hospital in the United States and get the care they need. No one is turned away; that's the truth Obama and his lying liberals want to acknowledge.

    Obama doesn't give a crap about the one person you describe either. He just wants to control that person's health care so he can control his voting pattern.
    Then, all the stories I have heard about people being denied health care at hospitals are just that....stories... I don't know??
    I do know that its man's weakness to lie.
    And I do know that health care at these hospitals is frightfully expensive.
    Why is this ?
    $1,000 per month is the latest quote I have heard concerning the cost of health care insurance..
    Is this reasonable ?
    If so, then all this "debate" is "much ado about nothing".
    My mind is not made up concerning a solution...But when I think that Canada, Japan, and the Euro countries have government health care and we do not...
    Makes we wonder...why ?

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    Re: White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Okay, Goobieman, if you want to defend that position, let's hear it.

    In the context of my post, did you understand what we're talking about? People with a critical medical need being turned away from emergency rooms or dying on the way to the public 'free' hospital. That practice has been outlawed, to my knowledge.
    Yes. And I said that was inane.

    But tell us, why do think it is right for Doctors/Hospitals to refuse to care and stabilize a critical patient?
    That should br pretty clear from the rest of my post -- everyone has a right to be paid for goods and/or services he or she provides.

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    Re: White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    Thank goodness! I was hoping all this talk of socialism, beauracracy, death panels, and blessed insurance companies was going to eventually lead to folks forgetting that there are still 44,000,000 people without insurance who need an option. It's a shame they are only 44m voters. Too bad.
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