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    Re: White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

    Posted this last night but everyone is still celebrating so I will post it again.

    Administration Official: "Sebelius Misspoke." - The Atlantic Politics Channel

    It was just a test to see who's head would explode and who would celebrate. The public option is not dead, far from it.

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    Re: White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I asked this before, but I dont recall yoru answer:

    Regarding your avatar:
    How does having the right to something equate to having other people provide you the means to exercising that right?
    Good point! UNALENIABLE doesn't apply in regards to finacial capabilities...
    and so it goes...

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    Re: White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    "that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

    Yes, it is in fact, the goverments job to do something.
    OK, so I will ask you TWO questions:

    -How is it the govenrment's job to ensure that you can afford to exercise your rights?
    -How does having the right to something equate to having other people provide you the means to exercise that right?

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    Re: White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    Good point! UNALENIABLE doesn't apply in regards to finacial capabilities...
    You didnt address the question.

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    Re: White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

    If the gov't feels it has the duty to take away those rights with things like the penal system, the Patriot act (it's for our safety though!), and anti-marijuana legislation, it also has the duty to ensure the rights of people who still "deserve" them.

    Goobieman, why not then push for the repeal of Medicaid, Social Security, Public Schools, infrastructure and legislation mandating a black person's right to vote. Wouldnt you be upset if highways were owned by corporations and you had to pay rediculous prices to use them? And thats not even regarding your own livelihood. Black people have the right to vote, but its not the gov'ts job to ensure that...
    and so it goes...

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    Re: White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    It's demise? What about moving on to an option that works now? No one should be celebrating the stall in reform. It has so much more to do with beating the Dems than doing whats best for America.
    with all due respect, you are in no position to question my motives

    now that the public option has been pulled and after "end of life counseling" has been canned, there are still HUGE problems remaining

    1. waxman/rangel in the house, the blueprint for discussions ongoing upstairs, still FINES individuals, as criminals, caught breathing without insurance

    2. it therefore forces folks to finagle for themselves that which they can't afford in the first place, hardly the help they were promised

    3. it contemplates massive CUTS TO MEDICARE and MEDICAID, rightfully outraging seniors, the same who swing every election in this country, the smartest, most resourced, most interested, most dedicated voting bloc in america

    4. it includes coverage for illegals, per the voting down of the heller amendment in charlie rangel's ways and means, july 17

    5. it generalizes the funding of abortion, bluedog bugaboo

    6. it taxes small business 8% if they don't pay for coverage for their employees, sure to kill hundreds of thousands of companies currently struggling to meet payroll as is

    7. it puts heavy "surcharges" on those over 250G, couples over 350---this may please you (i don't mean to presume), but it is a sizeable political problem for obamacare going forward

    8. it looks too much to END OF LIFE COSTS for its savings, again, freaking out our parents, electoral suicide

    9. it taxes med benefits, the mccain plan, which played a not small role in seeing that slightly doddering senator go down hard on nov 4

    10. it bends the COST CURVE the wrong way, obama's raison d'etre

    and its salesman in chief, THE CHIN, increasingly appears like a man who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about or what the heck he's doing

    in grand junction on saturday, he actually said, concerning health care:

    "i'm a reasonably dedicated student to this issue"

    Obama gets personal during health care town hall in Colo. - USATODAY.com

    LOL!

    student?!

    he's trying to reform 16% of the economy and take on the responsibility for the continued good health of MY aging SAINT of a mother!

    and he's still STUDYING?!

    LOLOLOL!

    what an IDIOT

    sorry, friend

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    Re: White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    If the gov't feels it has the duty to take away those rights with things like the penal system...it also has the duty to ensure the rights of people who still "deserve" them.
    First:
    How does the latter necessarily follow from the former?
    Second:
    How does "the duty to ensure the rights of people" equate to providing the means to exercise those rights, or even ensuring that those people can afford to exercise them?

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    Re: White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

    Quote Originally Posted by angrycarpenter View Post
    Posted this last night but everyone is still celebrating so I will post it again.

    Administration Official: "Sebelius Misspoke." - The Atlantic Politics Channel

    It was just a test to see who's head would explode and who would celebrate. The public option is not dead, far from it.
    sir, you don't seem to appreciate kent conrad's precise role in this, in committee

    conrad, the guy who got elmendorf to testify to the wrong way bending of the COST CURVE in baucus' gateway, senate finance, on july 17, said yesterday on fns:

    "we don't have the votes for the public option, we never had the votes for the public option"

    TheHill.com - Conrad: Votes lacking to pass public-option healthcare

    obama simply does not have the votes in the senate for the public option, i'm sorry

    it's not even close

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    Re: White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

    The insures those rights with the penal system. Why have a criminal system with ant-murder laws, if it is not the gov'ts job to ensure the right to live.

    And like I said, if you beleive this, why not repeal SSI, Medicaid, Public Schools, Park Services, Infrastructure, food stamps, and everything else the govt provides then.
    and so it goes...

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    Re: White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    The insures those rights with the penal system. Why have a criminal system with ant-murder laws, if it is not the gov'ts job to ensure the right to live.
    Because it's there to make sure your right to life is unimpeded by other people.

    Not too opaque of a concept, that.
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