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    Re: White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    This is ridiculous.

    If they go ahead with this, they are ignoring people and acting like they can do what they wish.
    If Dems then revise their options in the face of a public backlash or dissatisfaction with what is being offered and seek to find a common ground. The Republicans and protestors were right. This move should be welcomed by those who opposed him previously.

    In my view, this makes Obama even more likeable if he is willing to back down and change his stance. That is a quality found very rarely amongst politicans.
    ...except that this is PRECISELY what he ran on, and he's backing down. Without the public option in place, he's basically surrendered the bill entirely.

    Same with Gitmo, and pretty much everthing else. Obama's whiffing at everything except bailing out banks and auto companies. Not too popular with the folks on either side.

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    2 sundays ago it was treas secty geithner and director of econ council summers

    they went on mtp and ftn and BOTH said tax increases on middle classers must be looked at

    THAT lasted 24 hours before press secty gibbs on the monday, under food fight conditions before the corps, RAN away from that one

    now it's hhs

    upshot---this white house just does not have a clue

    put it this way---the public option, at best, is in big trouble, a really tuff sell

    in congress, specifically, not just to the public at large

    but in the senate, now

    so the prez sends out his ms sebelius to say, nah, we aint'a gonna go there

    then a couple hours later, oh, i misspoke

    don't you think that makes it a little harder on poor ms mccaskill?

    remember, mrs missouri had to go out and face the MOB

    while the CHIN in chief got to play michael jackson's funeral before fawning followers in cool air conditioned portsmouth

    LOL!

    the most INCOMPETENT politician at the national level america has ever seen

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    Re: White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

    Thank goodness! I was hoping all this talk of socialism, beauracracy, death panels, and blessed insurance companies was going to eventually lead to folks forgetting that there are still 44,000,000 people without insurance who need an option. It's a shame they are only 44m voters. Too bad.
    and so it goes...

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    Re: White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

    I'm so happy, capitalism gets to live to see another day! As long as the Public Option is off the table, Capitalism wins. Capitalism wins!

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    Re: White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    Thank goodness! I was hoping all this talk of socialism, beauracracy, death panels, and blessed insurance companies was going to eventually lead to folks forgetting that there are still 44,000,000 people without insurance who need an option. It's a shame they are only 44m voters. Too bad.
    That is such a fun lie, isn't it?

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    Re: White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

    DR. EZEKIEL EMMANUEL, "HEALTH CARE CZAR".


    The proposed healthcare bills now in development in both houses of congress will all ultimately put the decisions about your care and your longevity in the hands of presidential appointees, Czars who were never elected nor confirmed. They are deciding what plans will cover, how much independence your doctor can have and what treatments and care senior citizens and the very young deserve. Medicare will eventually become a thing of the past.

    At least two of President Obama's top health advisers should never be trusted with that much power. One of them is Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, the brother of President Obama’s Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. Dr Emauel has already been appointed to two very important positions: health-policy adviser at the Office of Management and Budget and a member of Federal Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research. Emanuel has already warned the American public that the reductions in care for the very young and elderly will not be free of pain. Read Dr. Emanuel’s words below:

    "Vague promises of savings from cutting waste, enhancing prevention and wellness, installing electronic medical records and improving quality are merely 'lipstick' cost control, more for show and public relations than for true change," (Health Affairs Feb. 27, 2008).

    He has stated that savings would require that doctors change how they think about their patients: He believes that doctors take the Hippocratic Oath too seriously, "as an imperative to do everything for the patient regardless of the cost or effects on others" (Journal of the American Medical Association, June 18, 2008).


    Yes, that may be what you want your doctor to do, but Dr. Emanuel wants doctors to look at the bigger picture and not just at the needs of their patients and consider social justice, such as whether the money could be better spent on somebody else. I would imagine that that most doctors are shocked and worried by the belief that a doctor's job is to achieve social justice one patient at a time.

    Emanuel, however, believes that "communitarianism" (another word for Socialist) should dictate decisions on who gets care. He insists that medical care should be limited for the non-disabled, not given to those "who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens . . . as he felt similarly about not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia" (Hastings Center Report, Nov.-Dec. '96). That means that care to a grandmother with Alzheimer’s, Parkinson's or to a child with capacity issue like cerebral palsy should be seriously limited at best.

    He unambiguously supports, defends, and encourages discrimination against older patients: "Unlike allocation by sex or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination; every person lives through different life stages rather than being a single age. Even if 25-year-olds receive priority over 65-year-olds, everyone who is 65 years now was previously 25 years" (Lancet, Jan. 31).

    Dr. Emanuel has revealed his malicious and dictatorial ideas of his plan over several years and he published it in the January, 2009 issue (Volume 373, Issue 9661) of The Lancet. Here are some excerpts from the article follow:

    "Some people wrongly suggest that allocation can be based purely on scientific or clinical facts, often using the term “medical need”. There are no value-free medical criteria for allocation.

    Consideration of the importance of complete lives also supports modifying the youngest-first principle by prioritizing adolescents and young adults over infants. Adolescents have received substantial education and parental care, investments that will be wasted without a complete life. Infants, by contrast, have not yet received these investments. Similarly, adolescence brings with it a developed personality capable of forming and valuing long-term plans whose fulfillment requires a complete life.


    When implemented, the complete lives system produces a priority curve on which individuals aged between roughly 15 and 40 years get the most substantial chance, whereas the youngest and oldest people get chances that are attenuated.


    Unlike allocation by sex or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination; every person lives through different life stages rather than being a single age. Even if 25-year-olds receive priority over 65-year-olds, everyone who is 65 years now was previously 25 years. Treating 65-year-olds differently because of stereotypes or falsehoods would be ageist; treating them differently because they have already had more life-years is not."

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    Re: White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

    Fine Coronado. ONE person in America cannot afford health insurance. So we let him or her die. That is ok. They should have been better at capitalism.
    and so it goes...

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    Re: White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    Fine Coronado. ONE person in America cannot afford health insurance. So we let him or her die. That is ok. They should have been better at capitalism.
    Google "Medicaid" and get back to me. Thanks.

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    Re: White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

    dr emanuel, brother of the ram, is obviously a complete whacko

    no one really believes he'd ever be able to implement the theories he writes for the textbooks people like obama study at places like harvard

    cuz the good doctor would never be able to get away with it

    in america

    as of now

    maybe sometime far down the road he could

    but not today

    even to try would be POLITICAL suicide

    and THAT's the point

    so the population-control opinions of the ram's brother are not really indicative of anything REAL to worry about

    but they ARE extremely REVEALING of the MIND of obama

    i mean, WHO would pick doctor malthusian in the first place?

    for ANYTHING?

    only the worst politician at the national level america has ever seen

    that's who

    unbelievably bad politics

    dr emanuel

    do you know about the the ram's father, benjamin?

    Rahm Emanuel’s Father Problem - Swampland - TIME.com
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    Re: White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

    Exactly TheProf...and my father was an abusive alcoholic, so you know what that inherently makes me? How is that even adherent to the debate. Oh, because of that scare tactics thread.
    and so it goes...

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