"The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without."
~Dwight D. Eisenhower
Moderator's Warning: threads merged.
Untill there is more detail about this non public-plan healthcare, or the current healthcare plans, I don't see how Obama is giving into anything by considering different programs. As long as they accomplish what he wants, of lower costs and insuring more people, then he is sticking with his goal.
I think it is very good that Obama seems to be concerned with getting a good end result to healthcare reform, and is less concerned about which plan will be used to achieve that.
Back to square one.
<Administration Official: "Sebelius Misspoke.">
<An administration official said tonight that Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius "misspoke" when she told CNN this morning that a government run health insurance option "is not an essential part" of reform. This official asked not to be identified in exchange for providing clarity about the intentions of the President. The official said that the White House did not intend to change its messaging and that Sebelius simply meant to echo the president, who has acknowledged that the public option is a tough sell in the Senate and is, at the same time, a must-pass for House Democrats, and is not, in the president's view, the most important element of the reform package.
A second official, Linda Douglass, director of health reform communications for the administration, said that President Obama believed that a public option was the best way to reduce costs and promote competition among insurance companies, that he had not backed away from that belief, and that he still wanted to see a public option in the final bill.>
Administration Official: "Sebelius Misspoke." - The Atlantic Politics Channel
The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say
Sounds like Dear Leader's getting an earful from both sides in the Anti-Republican civil war.
This doesn't help him. In fact, it's worse than if he'd just stuck to his guns on the public option in the first place. The John Kerry two-step of being for the public option after being against it, but that was only after he was for it, does not look anything remotely like someone who's in control of either the message or even his own messengers.
Regardless of what one believes about the merits and demerits of the public option, this makes the White House appear disorganized and chaotic on healthcare.
Last edited by celticlord; 08-16-09 at 11:02 PM.
⚧ C.T.L.W. You figure it out
My Endo doc went over my blood work. "I see your estrogen level is now at 315, do you feel like you have too much Estrogen now?"
I told her "... N... N.. No..." and started crying.
she said it
she said it not
she said it
she said it not...
the point---she said it, ms sebelius
and even if she didn't, it's dead
the public option is dead
it's replacement is CO OP, washington's newest buzzword
because, mr conrad, key player in baucus' gateway, senate finance, leader of the blue contingent of the Ubiquitous Six, said this morning on fns---"we don't have the votes for a public option, we never had the votes for a public option"
they never had the votes for a public option
thus, it doesn't really matter what ms hhs says
except, the white house looks so stupid
and petal pulling little-girlish
the option's dead
the option's alive
the option's dead...
baucus has been trying to tell the white house since mid june---the votes for public option don't exist
the mathematician, elmendorf, cbo boss, has been saying since july 16---the numbers just aren't there for public option
ms mccaskill on tuesday just to get outta the gym alive had to scream at the top of her microphone to be heard---IT'S NOT ON THE TABLE, IT'S NOT GONNA BE ON THE TABLE
conrad, dorgan, lincoln, landrieu, mccaskill, both nelsons, bayh, quite a few others---they will NOT vote for a public option, i guarantee it, i watch these things very close
quit SWEATING it---the public option is dead
move on to CO OP's
the white house already has
they might SAY this or that, they may even hold a pretty rally
(actually he's going on vacation now for 10 days)
but dick durbin said it last sunday---the WHIP from illinois is "open" to "cutting" the option
there ya go
so, health care sans option, what's that look like?
that's what you need ask yourself
i'll tell you soon the answer
in the meantime, know this---the LEFT is gonna throw quite a TANTRUM
Indeed, some are already starting to do just that:
White House backs away from public health care option - Carrie Budoff Brown - POLITICO.com
One diarist on the Daily Kos said the “public option is in the ICU. ... When you call something that once was the central tenet of reform is now a ‘sliver,’ it is very difficult to argue it is not being de-emphasized.” Another diarist wrote this headline: “Told you so: Public Option, Meet Underside of Bus.”